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Old 08-29-2012, 10:26 PM   #1
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Question Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Watching the Playoffs Playback screenings on NBATV, I couldn't stand it at all. Of course knowing the outcome and how devastating it was as a fan made it not enjoyable, but LeBron being passive and not even contributing was just disgusting. What really makes me angry about that as well, is that Wade basically missed out on another Finals MVP and outstanding post season run.

So what do you think got to LeBron? He was coming off two brilliant performances vs. Boston and Chicago, looking dominant as hell. So why did he perform so badly?
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:30 PM   #2
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Looked like he threw the series, honestly.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:33 PM   #3
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Not use to playing the 2nd/3rd option and was over-passive when doing so which is why Wade let Lebron be the 1st option full-time last season in 2012 instead of the 1a/1b and taking turns being the #1.

Another would be because he lost all of his confidence in his jump shot because his jump shot abandoned him in the finals. Lebron's lack of scoring variety would hurt him then but in 2012 he added scoring variety with that post-game so he practically became unstoppable and had an answer for every situation and every defense.

It is exactly why I say Lebron's best season/best version is 2012, not 2009 or 2010.
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

He choked and Dirk played like a GOAT. No big deal, it happens.
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

He needed to be humbled. It was way too easy to get to the finals in 2011. That Celtics series this year really slapped some sense into him. Once he was able to tap into that again, it was easy. Not to mention the Wade/Lebron alpha dog battle was over...it's Lebron's team, with Wade now completely willing to play the bitch in the relationship.

As long as Wade knows his place, the Heat will end up with another few championships with this group.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:38 PM   #6
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

People with any kind of basketball sense will tell you that Lebrons failure in the 11 finals was soley due to the fact that the Mavericks turned him into a perimeter player, forcing him to play primarily from the perimeter.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Marion and Terry's mental game on Lebron

Marion's/Kidd's defense on Lebron

Lebron not having the IQ (or whatever it was cause honestly it could have been a million reasons) to be able to impact the game in other ways offensively when he didn't have the ball/not knowing how to attack Mavs D

Carlisle's gameplans and schemes for handling the Heat's star power

The Mavs execution of Carlisle's gameplan, i mean those boys really went out there and took that series.

and once again i have to give a crapton of credit to Marion because that dude was playing his ass off in that series.



and a bunch of other sh1t im to lazy to type
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:39 PM   #8
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

He thought it was all going to be to easy, thought he would be able to run through the competition with Wade & Bosh and didnt respect the competition enough. therefore he didnt prepare enough mentally and when things started to go wrong he didnt have the answers.

And therefore this season he comes back better more mentally prepared and respectful of the opposition and puts in the performances we saw last post-season.

Thats my theory anyway
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:40 PM   #9
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

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People with any kind of basketball sense will tell you that Lebrons failure in the 11 finals was soley due to the fact that the Mavericks turned him into a perimeter player, forcing him to play primarily from the perimeter.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Also this, They weren't getting anywhere near as many free throws as they were getting this year, or at least it didn't seem like it. Lebron didn't magically get better this year the Mavs were just a REALLY well put together team, the corpse of Peja Storkyakajosdhfavich was hanging 30+pt games for crying out loud
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Tyson Chandler + a good perimeter defense

No Chandler = OKC Thunder swept their old, stinky @$$es in the first round
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Dallas' bench - barea, stevenson and terry got hot and contributed really well.
Defense - zone D, Shawn Marion and Chandler.
Leadership - J Kidd(compare him to Westbrook)
Heat couldn't get their shots in (Miller, Bibby, LBJ, Wade)

And lastly Dirk.
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Short answer is he choked, obviously, but there were many factors IMO as to why he performed so poorly.


1. Lost confidence when his jumpshot stopped falling. In 2011, LeBron was less explosive than he had been in the past (he regained some of that explosiveness in 2012, perhaps by losing weight?) and relied on his jumper way more than he had before. He actually was a very good midrange shooter that year, and in the playoffs he was shooting lights out from 3PT land as well for the first three rounds, particularly against Boston and Chicago. LeBron became overly fond of his jumpshot IMO, and started trying to play too much like MJ/Kobe (i.e. taking a lot of contested fadeaway jumpers), although he killed the Celtics and the Bulls in the 4th quarter by doing so. Once his jumpers stopped falling against the Mavericks, he lost confidence and became wayyyyy too passive, and didn't look to drive to the hoop, which he should have done.

2. Shawn Marion is a great defender, and also got into LBJ's head, as did Jason Terry.

3. It's possible all the pressure and scrutiny LBJ had all year finally caught up to him, and was exacerbated by his struggles.

4. I think after the Mavericks comeback in game 2, a lot of the Heat players lost confidence, LeBron in particular.

5. Wade was on fire, which gave LBJ an excuse to defer and not look to score.


Still, there is no excuse for how he played, a player of his caliber shouldn't have a series like that. He redeemed himself this past year, though, which I think was in part thanks to the humbling he received at the hands of Dirk and the Mavericks last year.
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Short answer is he choked, obviously, but there were many factors IMO as to why he performed so poorly.


1. Lost confidence when his jumpshot stopped falling. In 2011, LeBron was less explosive than he had been in the past (he regained some of that explosiveness in 2012, perhaps by losing weight?) and relied on his jumper way more than he had before. He actually was a very good midrange shooter that year, and in the playoffs he was shooting lights out from 3PT land as well for the first three rounds, particularly against Boston and Chicago. LeBron became overly fond of his jumpshot IMO, and started trying to play too much like MJ/Kobe (i.e. taking a lot of contested fadeaway jumpers), although he killed the Celtics and the Bulls in the 4th quarter by doing so. Once his jumpers stopped falling against the Mavericks, he lost confidence and became wayyyyy too passive, and didn't look to drive to the hoop, which he should have done.

2. Shawn Marion is a great defender, and also got into LBJ's head, as did Jason Terry.

3. It's possible all the pressure and scrutiny LBJ had all year finally caught up to him, and was exacerbated by his struggles.

4. I think after the Mavericks comeback in game 2, a lot of the Heat players lost confidence, LeBron in particular.

5. Wade was on fire, which gave LBJ an excuse to defer and not look to score.


Still, there is no excuse for how he played, a player of his caliber shouldn't have a series like that. He redeemed himself this past year, though, which I think was in part thanks to the humbling he received at the hands of Dirk and the Mavericks last year.

Didn't Pauk say that Lebron was too fat early last season?
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Short answer is he choked, obviously, but there were many factors IMO as to why he performed so poorly.


1. Lost confidence when his jumpshot stopped falling. In 2011, LeBron was less explosive than he had been in the past (he regained some of that explosiveness in 2012, perhaps by losing weight?) and relied on his jumper way more than he had before. He actually was a very good midrange shooter that year, and in the playoffs he was shooting lights out from 3PT land as well for the first three rounds, particularly against Boston and Chicago. LeBron became overly fond of his jumpshot IMO, and started trying to play too much like MJ/Kobe (i.e. taking a lot of contested fadeaway jumpers), although he killed the Celtics and the Bulls in the 4th quarter by doing so. Once his jumpers stopped falling against the Mavericks, he lost confidence and became wayyyyy too passive, and didn't look to drive to the hoop, which he should have done.

2. Shawn Marion is a great defender, and also got into LBJ's head, as did Jason Terry.

3. It's possible all the pressure and scrutiny LBJ had all year finally caught up to him, and was exacerbated by his struggles.

4. I think after the Mavericks comeback in game 2, a lot of the Heat players lost confidence, LeBron in particular.

5. Wade was on fire, which gave LBJ an excuse to defer and not look to score.


Still, there is no excuse for how he played, a player of his caliber shouldn't have a series like that. He redeemed himself this past year, though, which I think was in part thanks to the humbling he received at the hands of Dirk and the Mavericks last year.

You and kewls1 have the best posts so far in this thread. You really know your basketball. Dallas will never win another NBA Championship. OKC willl beat them again this year.
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Didn't Pauk say that Lebron was too fat early last season?

What?

Anyways, what happened in the Finals is extremly simple to me. Lebron was passive like hell as Wade was on fire, he defered to him and they were doing pretty good actually, so he didnt complain, its in the clutch they lost where neither Wade nor Lebron were able to closeout, then you add the fact that this was a completely new role, team, offense, coach, chemistry for Lebron to work through with all the scrutiny that was going which could have got in to his head a little and there you have it... 18-7-7 @ 48% FG is not bad, but by his standards its very bad, especially what he did in the 4th.

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