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Old 08-28-2012, 07:08 PM   #1
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Default Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Who do you think was better at their peaks? Derrick Rose or Ray Allen?
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:09 PM   #2
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Derrick Rose and its not close.
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Who is to say Rose has peaked already? The guy is 23.

IMO, an MVP has to get you to the the superstar level, even if for just a year. Ray has never been a superstar.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:13 PM   #4
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

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Who is to say Rose has peaked already? The guy is 23.

IMO, an MVP has to get you to the the superstar level, even if for just a year. Ray has never been a superstar.

Ray has been a superstar, but never an top 5 player like Rose was the year he won MVP.
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Rose won't ever be as good as he was his MVP.

No less, the answer is Derrick. How overrated is Ray Ray nowadays, at his best he could never be the #1 option on a championship team,

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Old 08-28-2012, 07:21 PM   #6
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Rose. He may not have peaked yet though . Ray can still shoot a hell of a lot better than Rose though.

Damn Rose, your jumper used to be solid. Where did it go?
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:29 PM   #7
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Did people suddenly forget how good prime Bucks/Sonics Allen was? 26.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg with solid D and killer efficiency? Rose is more first option material but it's definitely debatable. I'm going to say peak Ray was slightly better than the best we have seen from Rose but I think Rose can obviously surpass peak Ray.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:33 PM   #8
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

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Did people suddenly forget how good prime Bucks/Sonics Allen was? 26.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg with solid D and killer efficiency? Rose is more first option material but it's definitely debatable. I'm going to say peak Ray was slightly better than the best we have seen from Rose but I think Rose can obviously surpass peak Ray.

Allen has been on the top 10 MVP ranking once during his career, and he was at 9th place..

Rose was the MVP and some say he didn't deserve it but he was easily a top 3 player.

Jamie Robles must be shaking her fukking head bro.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:57 PM   #10
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

Rose is better at getting to the hoop and finishing. Ray Allen is underrated in that area, he was more than shooter. Allen is obviously the way better shooter and more efficient scorer. Rose can get others involved better, big enough edge too even if people want to pretend he's not a "real" PG. I'm not even sure Ray Allen scoring at the same clip as Rose did his MVP year is all that more efficient. He was taking a f*ck load of shots that one year in Seattle.

Weird comparison but overall I'm going Rose as the better individual player. I'd rather have Ray to compliment another player but I'd prefer Rose to build with.
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Allen has been on the top 10 MVP ranking once during his career, and he was at 9th place..

Rose was the MVP and some say he didn't deserve it but he was easily a top 3 player.

Jamie Robles must be shaking her fukking head bro.

Yes because MVP voting means something. Rose is also one of the most criticized MVP's of all time so mentioning who won MVP means nothing. Prime Ray Allen is a slightly better, more complete player in my opinion.

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Old 08-28-2012, 08:07 PM   #12
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Two totally different players but Rose all day.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:07 PM   #13
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Default Re: Peaks - Derrick Rose vs Ray Allen

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Ray has been a superstar, but never an top 5 player like Rose was the year he won MVP.

Rose wasn't top 5 back in 2011. It was D-Wade, Howard, Lebron, Dirk, Cp3/Kobe/Durant. Maybe he was top 5 before his epic conference finals choke
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Yes because MVP voting means something. Rose is also one of the most criticized MVP's of all time so mentioning who won MVP means nothing. Prime Ray Allen is a slightly better, more complete player in my opinion.

Well MVP generally means your lighting up the league and your doing so while on an elite team or at the very least a very competitive one to included in serious talks. Ray Allen wasn't making the playoffs in his best seasons statistically, so explains the lack of love for MVP.

I'm not even sure what you'd call Ray Allen's prime to be honest. That one year he was scoring alot but pretty sure he got hurt and bombing away. He's had some nice playoff runs, that one year when him, A.I, Vince went crazy was pretty nice. In the regular season he only did like 22\5\5.

Deserved or not, Rose threw up 25\8\4 on an elite team. Prime Ray is kinda underrated because nowadays all people think he can do is shoot but I don't even remember him making a 1st team All-NBA back than. Competition, teams etc. could all factor into that but still.
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Well MVP generally means your lighting up the league and your doing so while on an elite team or at the very least a very competitive one to included in serious talks. Ray Allen wasn't making the playoffs in his best seasons statistically, so explains the lack of love for MVP.

I'm not even sure what you'd call Ray Allen's prime to be honest. That one year he was scoring alot but pretty sure he got hurt and bombing away. He's had some nice playoff runs, that one year when him, A.I, Vince went crazy was pretty nice. In the regular season he only did like 22\5\5.

Deserved or not, Rose threw up 25\8\4 on an elite team. Prime Ray is kinda underrated because nowadays all people think he can do is shoot but I don't even remember him making a 1st team All-NBA back than. Competition, teams etc. could all factor into that but still.

He was going up against Prime Kobe for the 1st team. Rose was going up against the years past 2 mvp candidates on the same team, Kobe with an unmotivated team, and a "small market" center who should have won the mvp.
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