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Old 08-24-2012, 12:59 PM   #106
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Default Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated

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I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.

Yes, t'll be like Wilt scoring 100. Memorable because of the big number. But

Wilt's 100
Kobe's 81
David Thompson's 73
Baylor's 71
Robinson's 71
Jordan's 69

we remember those numbers yes, but those weren't their best games. How could their best game be judged by such a simple stat alone. Does that mean at his best David Thompson was slightly better than Jordan at his best?

The question wasn't which game will be most memorable. It was "will LeBron ever play a single game on par with Kobe's 81 point game?"

The point being to try and say that Kobe at his best was better than LeBron will ever be at his best.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:05 PM   #107
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Not sure Lebron has the scoring arsenal( or mentality) to score 81 points. Kobe is one of, if not the, great streak scorers ever and this night was just a case where he simply caught fire and just couldn't be stopped.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:26 PM   #108
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:28 PM   #109
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Default Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated

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If Kobe played the 4th, I think Kobe wouldve dropped 72-76 vs a good Dallas team which is more impressive than 81 vs a sucky Raptors team.

Its like a college football game. Is it more impressive to score 40 on a SEC defense or 70 on a WAC defense.

Would've could've???? It's only about reality of what was really done.
Dallas quit in that game, Toronto was fighting for a win and had been leading BIG.

Funny thing was that on the way to the game, I was complaining about how Kobe could've done something legendary against Dallas and put up 80+ points if he had played the 4th quarter. Foolishly I said "He may never have a chance to do anything like that again"
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:29 PM   #110
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Not sure Lebron has the scoring arsenal( or mentality) to score 81 points. Kobe is one of, if not the, great streak scorers ever and this night was just a case where he simply caught fire and just couldn't be stopped.
Kobe in his prime was a ridiculous scorer, literally unstoppable, to be sure. However, LeBron is a spectacular scorer in his own right, quite underrated in that regard IMO. Now, I'm not sure LeBron could ever score 81 (he doesn't have the mentality to, he may have the ability to though), but there have been games I've seen LeBron simply unstoppable from anywhere on the floor but he eventually will stop scoring and start getting his teammates involved. An example is game 6 against Boston this year in the ECF, I feel he could have easily had 50-60 that game if he sought to keep scoring.
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However, LeBron is a spectacular scorer in his own right, quite underrated in that regard IMO. Now, I'm not sure LeBron could ever score 81 (he doesn't have the mentality to, he may have the ability to though), but there have been games I've seen LeBron simply unstoppable

Sure Lebron has the ability to score 50-60 when his jumpshot is on, but prime Kobe on one of his streaks was literally like watching NBA Jam 'on fire' mode from outside. I don't think Lebron is capable of getting 'that' hot. We can speculate that he 'could', but it's just speculation. We know Kobe can, because we've seen it.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:01 PM   #112
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What are the top 10 greatest game performances of all-time, according to the advanced metric?

Regular Season wise, these are the Top 10:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...core_game.html

And since you asked for Jordan and Kobe too...

There are 22 Jordan performances in that list and 6 Kobe performances. 4 of Jordan's 22 are in the Top 10. 2 of Kobe's 6 are in the Top 10.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:07 PM   #113
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Regular Season wise, these are the Top 10:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...core_game.html

And since you asked for Jordan and Kobe too...

There are 22 Jordan performances in that list and 6 Kobe performances. 4 of Jordan's 22 are in the Top 10. 2 of Kobe's 6 are in the Top 10.

I havent been able to really find the answer to this question: the gmSc (gamescore) that site refers to, how is that calculated?
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:08 PM   #114
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Still can't believe that Jack missed this game.
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David Stern....NBA Players....NBA Owners.....pretty much everyone involved with basketball all the way to the elementary level.

I'm talking from a fan perspective. Who really cares what some newbie thinks?
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I havent been able to really find the answer to this question: the gmSc (gamescore) that site refers to, how is that calculated?

Sure thing:

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As an extension of the Player Efficiency Rating, Hollinger also developed a simpler formula that quantifies how impressive a player's individual performance is in a given game. The Hollinger Game Score formula is:

(Points x 1.0) + (FGM x 0.4) + (FGA x -0.7) + ((FTA-FTM) x -0.4) + (OREB x 0.7) + (DREB x 0.3) + (STL x 1.0) + (AST x 0.7) + (BLK x 0.7) + (PF x -0.4) + (TO x -1.0)

The entire modern box score of the player is needed for calculation, including offensive and defensive rebounding, steals, blocks and turnovers, so the Hollinger Game Score can only be applied to games played since the 1978 season.

It is a very similar measure to Player Efficiency Rating in that it focuses upon how effective and efficient a player's performance is, except that it does not factor in time played in the game and other tangibles, such as the strength of the opponent, the strength of the opponent's defense, the strength of the primary defender, and the location at which the game is played.

And it also doesn't take into account minutes played.

I don't use this formula to guage players, but I do try to keep tabs on them since their interesting and a way to look at things in a different prespective.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:28 PM   #117
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Yes, t'll be like Wilt scoring 100. Memorable because of the big number. But

Wilt's 100
Kobe's 81
David Thompson's 73
Baylor's 71
Robinson's 71
Jordan's 69

we remember those numbers yes, but those weren't their best games. How could their best game be judged by such a simple stat alone. Does that mean at his best David Thompson was slightly better than Jordan at his best?

The question wasn't which game will be most memorable. It was "will LeBron ever play a single game on par with Kobe's 81 point game?"

The point being to try and say that Kobe at his best was better than LeBron will ever be at his best.




- Most fans aren't gonna say ..."Oh MJ's 63 points.....not his absolute best....he actually played a game against the Warroirs back in 92'....he was struggling early but had a triple double, dove for the ball late in the game and willed his team back from double digits...a far better game then scoring 63 points and Losing.

They look at MJ scoring 63 points...maybe his best game?..who cares if he lost??


- It is only one stat...but to most people it's the most important. You can't really judge a great game on 2 stats or 3 stats or 4 etc....you have to watch the game and make a judgement on your own....and since most basketball fans hear about or watched the 81 points...it becomes an iconic moment....just as Wilt's 100 or MJ's 63.

- The point bieng....Most fans remember MJ's 63...or his 69 too go along with 9 scoring titles and 6 championships....many Iconic moments to solidify MJ over David Thompson scoring 71 points once...too many MJ iconic moments vs Thomsons lonely one....so no one will say David at his best was better then MJ.

Most fans remember Kobe's 81...or his 42 points in one half...or his 62 points in 3 quarters...or his 9 straight 40 point games....5 rangz!.....so many iconic moments vs Lebrons ....(the Gap is not like MJ vs David Thompson..Lebron is a much greater player with more moments then Thompson) ...

but the point bieng at his best Kobe will be remembered as a much greater scorer then Lebron....
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I'm talking from a fan perspective. Who really cares what some newbie thinks?


From a fan perspective.....those of us who argue all day long or every once in a while online about advanced stats or why Player A's game wasn't as good as that one time when he shot .3% higher FG% and had 2 more rebounds...make up a very small % of the overall fanbase..

- who really cares what we the "hardcore fans" thinks?....that is the question...

- Most fans don't care what we the 1% think.....and Like I said earlyer...either does the players , GM's , and 99% of all the other people who follow the sport.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:46 PM   #119
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People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster.
  1. Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
  2. Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
  3. Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
  4. Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
  5. Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
  6. Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.

Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:
  • LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).

  • He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).

  • He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts

  • He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.

  • Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg

lol matt bonner the 1 time nba champion.

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