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Old 08-24-2012, 11:51 AM   #91
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sigh....how are you in the green.....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...core_game.html

"Note: Game leaders since the 1985-86 season (1985 playoffs)"
Yes i just realised. Hence the deletion.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:57 AM   #92
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are we basing them on that same system?


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Old 08-24-2012, 11:59 AM   #93
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yeah

well I posted that link 2 posts ago, you can check that out. (i'm too lazy to list them here ). That's a regular season "gamescore" and there's also a playoff gamescore. MJ has more higher "gamescore" games than Kobe. Like way more.
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well I posted that link 2 posts ago, you can check that out. (i'm too lazy to list them here ). That's a regular season "gamescore" and there's also a playoff gamescore. MJ has more higher "gamescore" games than Kobe. Like way more.


Thanks!


Can you post a link to the playoff gamescore?
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Thanks!


Can you post a link to the playoff gamescore?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...re_game_p.html
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:06 PM   #96
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Can you list them?

Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.
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Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.


That makes sense.

In terms of importance, what do you feel were Kobe's 10 best games as well as Jordan's 10 best?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:24 PM   #98
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how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:26 PM   #99
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That makes sense.

In terms of importance, what do you feel were Kobe's 10 best games as well as Jordan's 10 best?

I'd have to really research that but some obvious candidates would be...

MJ
Flu game
63 in the Garden
55 in the '93 Finals
Game seven vs. Knicks in 1992
Game one of the 1992 Finals (the six three's)

Kobe
Game six versus Suns in '06
Any number of playoff games versus the Kings (game 4 of the sweep most memorably)
The 81 game
Closeout game vs. Spurs in 2008 that got Lakers to finals
Game one vs. Magic in Finals
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how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game
Then why hasn't Wade had any
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:30 PM   #101
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how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game

he shot 60+%, how is that remotely close to 31%.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:33 PM   #102
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Default Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated

You mean overrated? I watched that game and the last 4-5 mins or so when the game was no longer in doubt, he was clearly just running up his point total. You could even see Brian Shaw talking to him during that final timeout they took probably filling him in on how many points he had and telling him to get to at least 80. By the end he was literally just catching the ball, getting double teamed, dribbling around in circles and then chucking up wild 3's.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:38 PM   #103
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Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.

I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:51 PM   #104
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People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster.
  1. Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
  2. Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
  3. Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
  4. Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
  5. Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
  6. Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


This performance was incredible by any measure, but your reasoning above is beyond stupid.
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I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.

Who cares about the casual fan?
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