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Old 09-25-2014, 10:23 PM   #1
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Default kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

NBA Championships
Kareem: 6
Russell: 11

Longevity
Kareem: 20
Russell: 13

Honors and Awards (Season MVP)
Kareem: 6
Russell: 5

All-NBA First Team
Kareem: 10
Russell: 3

All-NBA Teams (Total Selections)
Kareem: 15
Russell: 11

Scoring Leader
Kareem: 2
Russell: 0

Rebounds Leader
Kareem: 1
Russell: 4

*note didnt include Finals MVP since it wasnt around for the majority of russell's career. as well, russell did have other scoring options and his team was influenced by their defense (their strength).

me personally? i gotta go with kareem because he did it all and, to a certain extent, played against better centers.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:27 PM   #2
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Kareem. I have him at 1 over Jordan all time...so obviously between these two he'll be my pick.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:28 PM   #3
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Jordan, but the two in the OP fill out the top 3
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:29 PM   #4
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Kareem. I have him at 1 over Jordan all time...so obviously between these two he'll be my pick.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:34 PM   #5
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The top 4 IMO (all for different reasons) have such a solid case who cares but if I was held at gun point and had to list in order of whom I'd choose it'd probably look like this (briefly summarized):

Wilt - MDIE on both ends, when he won he won on 2 of the greatest teams ever. Nobody is even close to his individual dominance.
Russell - MDWE, he was also a truly dominant rebounding and maybe MDE defender
Jabbar - minus the rebounding (well, replace it with longevity), he's sort of a blend of the accolades Wilt and Russell accomplished (though to a lesser degree in both). He's also sort of a blend of their traits (almost as quick and agile as Russell, while almost dwarfing opponents and scoring like Wilt).
MJ - MD backcourt player and "all-around skill" player ever. Could do everything, to the point that he almost had the impact of the greatest bigs ever. Just about amassed as many accolades as Jabbar.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:43 PM   #6
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To me, Kareem is the greatest player of all time. He was the focal point on his teams through the years. Other teams threw 2-3 defenders on him or created other defensive packages geared to stop him and Kareem still shined. Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all-time. But Kareem is the GOAT, to me.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:48 PM   #7
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Mj And then Kareem
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:51 PM   #8
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Sucks they missed out on playing each other by one season.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:05 PM   #9
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I personally have KAJ at either #4 or #5 and either ahead, or behind Russell. Having said that, though, how do those that defend KAJ, explain the fact that a PRIME Kareem, in his first ten years, won ONE ring, went to TWO Finals, lost in the first round TWICE, and missed the playoffs altogether another two years?

Did an aging Kareem suddenly become a much better player? A Kareem who couldn't rebound, or play defense for his life, in the last ten years of his career?

Or maybe it was because of MAGIC that KAJ suddenly started winning rings?

A prime Chamberlain did everything better than a prime Kareem, including WINNING. And even a post-surgery Wilt, playing four years in the league with Kareem was a better "winner." In their four years in the league together, Chamberlain went to THREE Finals, while Kareem only went to ONE. Furthermore, Chamberlain carried HIS teams further in '70, '72, and '73. The only season in which Kareem had more team success, was in '71, and fortunately for him, Chamberlain's two best teammates, West and Baylor, missed the playoffs. Even in that series, the consensus was, Chamberlain outplayed KAJ in three of the five games.

The real question should be...how many rings would Wilt have won had he had MAGIC for TEN seasons?
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:10 PM   #10
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Go to bed, LAZ.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:40 AM   #11
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I have Kareem at 3. Wilt and MJ ahead of him.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:42 AM   #12
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1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:46 AM   #13
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kareem quite easily imo
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:05 PM   #14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CavaliersFTW
The top 4 IMO (all for different reasons) have such a solid case who cares but if I was held at gun point and had to list in order of whom I'd choose it'd probably look like this (briefly summarized):

Wilt - MDIE on both ends, when he won he won on 2 of the greatest teams ever. Nobody is even close to his individual dominance.
Russell - MDWE, he was also a truly dominant rebounding and maybe MDE defender
Jabbar - minus the rebounding (well, replace it with longevity), he's sort of a blend of the accolades Wilt and Russell accomplished (though to a lesser degree in both). He's also sort of a blend of their traits (almost as quick and agile as Russell, while almost dwarfing opponents and scoring like Wilt).
MJ - MD backcourt player and "all-around skill" player ever. Could do everything, to the point that he almost had the impact of the greatest bigs ever. Just about amassed as many accolades as Jabbar.


The stuff about Wilt, Jabbar and especially MJ really gives me chills...

How MJ is like the only Guard up there competing with the spots for the GOAT spot...

Beautiful stuff. Also gets me in the mood to watch footage of these 3 PRONTO.
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:24 PM   #15
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MJ
KAJ
Wilt
Magic
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