Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-25-2014, 09:23 PM   #1
mehyaM24
Great college starter
 
mehyaM24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,644
Default kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

NBA Championships
Kareem: 6
Russell: 11

Longevity
Kareem: 20
Russell: 13

Honors and Awards (Season MVP)
Kareem: 6
Russell: 5

All-NBA First Team
Kareem: 10
Russell: 3

All-NBA Teams (Total Selections)
Kareem: 15
Russell: 11

Scoring Leader
Kareem: 2
Russell: 0

Rebounds Leader
Kareem: 1
Russell: 4

*note didnt include Finals MVP since it wasnt around for the majority of russell's career. as well, russell did have other scoring options and his team was influenced by their defense (their strength).

me personally? i gotta go with kareem because he did it all and, to a certain extent, played against better centers.
mehyaM24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:27 PM   #2
Smoke117
Barstool Blues
 
Smoke117's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 7,263
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Kareem. I have him at 1 over Jordan all time...so obviously between these two he'll be my pick.
Smoke117 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:28 PM   #3
SouBeachTalents
FMVPAMC
 
SouBeachTalents's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 4,469
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Jordan, but the two in the OP fill out the top 3
SouBeachTalents is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:29 PM   #4
winwin
Free Kosovo
 
winwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,602
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Kareem. I have him at 1 over Jordan all time...so obviously between these two he'll be my pick.
winwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:34 PM   #5
CavaliersFTW
NBA Legend
 
CavaliersFTW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 15,340
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

The top 4 IMO (all for different reasons) have such a solid case who cares but if I was held at gun point and had to list in order of whom I'd choose it'd probably look like this (briefly summarized):

Wilt - MDIE on both ends, when he won he won on 2 of the greatest teams ever. Nobody is even close to his individual dominance.
Russell - MDWE, he was also a truly dominant rebounding and maybe MDE defender
Jabbar - minus the rebounding (well, replace it with longevity), he's sort of a blend of the accolades Wilt and Russell accomplished (though to a lesser degree in both). He's also sort of a blend of their traits (almost as quick and agile as Russell, while almost dwarfing opponents and scoring like Wilt).
MJ - MD backcourt player and "all-around skill" player ever. Could do everything, to the point that he almost had the impact of the greatest bigs ever. Just about amassed as many accolades as Jabbar.
CavaliersFTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:43 PM   #6
JellyBean
NBA lottery pick
 
JellyBean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,153
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

To me, Kareem is the greatest player of all time. He was the focal point on his teams through the years. Other teams threw 2-3 defenders on him or created other defensive packages geared to stop him and Kareem still shined. Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all-time. But Kareem is the GOAT, to me.
JellyBean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:48 PM   #7
juju151111
Very good NBA starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 8,846
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Mj And then Kareem
juju151111 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:51 PM   #8
L.Kizzle
ISH's Negro Historian
 
L.Kizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Houston, TX -
Posts: 39,337
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Sucks they missed out on playing each other by one season.
L.Kizzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 10:05 PM   #9
LAZERUSS
3-time NBA All-Star
 
LAZERUSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,511
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

I personally have KAJ at either #4 or #5 and either ahead, or behind Russell. Having said that, though, how do those that defend KAJ, explain the fact that a PRIME Kareem, in his first ten years, won ONE ring, went to TWO Finals, lost in the first round TWICE, and missed the playoffs altogether another two years?

Did an aging Kareem suddenly become a much better player? A Kareem who couldn't rebound, or play defense for his life, in the last ten years of his career?

Or maybe it was because of MAGIC that KAJ suddenly started winning rings?

A prime Chamberlain did everything better than a prime Kareem, including WINNING. And even a post-surgery Wilt, playing four years in the league with Kareem was a better "winner." In their four years in the league together, Chamberlain went to THREE Finals, while Kareem only went to ONE. Furthermore, Chamberlain carried HIS teams further in '70, '72, and '73. The only season in which Kareem had more team success, was in '71, and fortunately for him, Chamberlain's two best teammates, West and Baylor, missed the playoffs. Even in that series, the consensus was, Chamberlain outplayed KAJ in three of the five games.

The real question should be...how many rings would Wilt have won had he had MAGIC for TEN seasons?
LAZERUSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 10:10 PM   #10
moe94
explodeInForeign
 
moe94's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 22,641
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

Go to bed, LAZ.
moe94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:40 PM   #11
senelcoolidge
College superstar
 
senelcoolidge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: At home
Posts: 4,740
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

I have Kareem at 3. Wilt and MJ ahead of him.
senelcoolidge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:42 PM   #12
SHAQisGOAT
College star
 
SHAQisGOAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,956
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
SHAQisGOAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:46 PM   #13
rhowen4
Relax
 
rhowen4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 1,264
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

kareem quite easily imo
rhowen4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2014, 11:24 AM   #14
TheMan
MJ GOAT, U MAD?
 
TheMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Eiza Gonzalez love canal
Posts: 8,027
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

MJ
KAJ
Wilt
Magic
Bird
TheMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2014, 11:46 AM   #15
Dr.J4ever
Justice4 the ABA
 
Dr.J4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,153
Default Re: kareem vs russell -- who is the greatest player of all time?

This is a tough one.

Russell had a different role and purpose for his teams. For Russell to be at his best, you had to surround him with good offensive players since he wasn't and can't be the focal point of any offense, but if complemented with the right kind of players, he would produce championships for you.

No need to worry about chemistry issues with Russell. No ego issues. You can easily build around him even in today's game if you surround him with shooters and players who can drive and dish. Athletic players who can go out on the break would be like the icing in Russell's cake. Russell's blocked shots would make sure of that.

If you were a GM, and you were building an NBA team, starting out with a player like Bill Russell, and building around him by drafting offensive players is certainly a compelling case to build a title team. If you want to win, you want Russell.

And yet, KAJ was totally dominant. KAJ was the greatest offensive player of all time. Yes, better than Wilt or Jordan. Everyone knows that the Lakers lived and died in the half court on KaJ's skyhook. They would run all day on the break with Magic, and when things got tough, Magic would dump it inside to the greatest offensive weapon ever.

If I were a GM in today's game, I would take Russell. To me, its easier to build a title team with Russell than with Kareem. No ego issues means I can find offensive players that would complement Russell, and I believe he would do great in today's style since he wouldn't really demand the ball on the low block.

Not that KAJ would be hampered on the low block by today's style of play, but he may be less efficient, and he would still demand to be the focal point of any offense. Could this be why he needed unselfish guards like Oscar and Magic to win titles? Hmmm, hard to say, but there may be something to this.
Dr.J4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:15 PM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy