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Old 01-22-2007, 03:25 PM   #16
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^this guy played in the NFL, but do you see them overeacting to his death?



on a side note:

Im watchin alot of post game stuff currently involving the NFL and I see guys with baseball caps on backwards, sweats (Bill Belechick, Brett Farve) and nobody says a peep.....

Why is nobody p*ssed off about this? Arent these guys supposed to act "professional"?

Because it's not perceived as a "hip-hop" or "thug" league the way the NBA is. These guys were helmets, you can't sag you football pants, etc . . . whereas Basketball players can look hip-hop during a game, with corn rows, saggy pants, etc . . . It's just a racist thing, man. The NFL is twice as thuggish as the NBA.

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Startling in its breadth, Benedict and Yaeger's investigation into the off-the-field violence and criminal behavior that pervades the culture of professional football is as eye opening as it is disturbing. That these guys get into trouble is nothing new, but when their offenses are collected in one place--with mug shots, court records, police reports, and interviews with arresting officers--the effect is as surreal as the statistics: 21 percent of the NFL's players have been charged with a serious crime.

How serious? The docket begins with assault, rape, and domestic violence and keeps spiraling out of control. These are not just blind allegations; the authors name names and match felonies to players. Some of the better-known examples: Cornelius Bennett--rape and sexual assault; Cortez Kennedy--domestic violence; Michael Irvin--cocaine and marijuana possession; Nate Newton--sexual assault; Warren Moon--domestic violence; Jake Plummer--sexual abuse; Andre Rison--aggravated assault; Bruce Smith--driving under the influence; and Deion Sanders--aggravated assault, disorderly convict, trespassing, and battery.


Yet, as disturbing as the names and numbers are, Benedict and Yaeger's contention, backed by exhaustive research, is even worse: the league pretty much looks away, tacitly condoning the havoc caused by these overpaid, coddled men-children, whose very propensity for unchecked mayhem fills stadiums on Sunday. But, then, in the NFL's view of things, football is the law. Make no mistake about Pros and Cons though; as sensational as much of it is, this is a serious work with serious footnotes compiled by serious journalists, who, in the end, do something the game's establishment has avoided: they offer a detailed "Game Plan" for addressing the issues they raise. It begins with respecting law and imposing order. --Jeff Silverman
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whats really more disconcerning, that David Stern wants to institute this policy, or the fact that grownass men have to be told not to hang out at places that are notorious for inviting trouble?
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:33 PM   #18
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Because it's not perceived as a "hip-hop" or "thug" league the way the NBA is. These guys were helmets, you can't sag you football pants, etc . . . whereas Basketball players can look hip-hop during a game, with corn rows, saggy pants, etc . . . It's just a racist thing, man. The NFL is twice as thuggish as the NBA.

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nfl hell. i want stats on the NHL. those guys are violent as hell on the ice and NOBODY gives a ****. do they have a dress code? what's their drug policy? i've never heard of any wrong-doing any of them have perpetrated, and that's not even possible. it's just that nobody cares. charles barkley throws a guy through a window it's big news. some guy with eight Ks, six Zs, and zero vowels in his name gets in a brawl, and it doesn't make the ticker tape on espnnews.
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:38 PM   #19
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Because it's not perceived as a "hip-hop" or "thug" league the way the NBA is. These guys were helmets, you can't sag you football pants, etc . . . whereas Basketball players can look hip-hop during a game, with corn rows, saggy pants, etc . . .


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It's just a racist thing, man. The NFL is twice as thuggish as the NBA.

exactly... but even further.... if you pick up a newspaper, you'll see a society full of people doing the same things players in the NBA and NFL do...

if Stern was smart, he'd better the league promoting positives and work on isolating the problem players and dealing with them(specifically) in harsh manner....

blanket rules like this are counter producvtive and and lazy...

He's not helpin the league's image by doing stuff like this
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:44 PM   #20
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this is actually one of the great things stern is doing.

Especially since the stephen jackson situation, now these players are so touchable.

they need to be protected and with this happening, players now should focus on committment to their teams.

after all, these players did sign contracts right?
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:45 PM   #21
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Guess I wont be seeing TJ and Fred no more.
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whats really more disconcerting, that David Stern wants to institute this policy, or the fact that grownass men have to be told not to hang out at places that are notorious for inviting trouble?

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Old 01-22-2007, 03:50 PM   #23
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i don't see the big deal. he's not banning all the night clubs, just the troubled ones. the kind that are involved in shootouts and gang violence. you know every city has a couple of those. we had a list like that in the army. its just a cover your ass kind of thing that if someone gets into trouble at the joint, the league can say i told you not to go there. its just the league pretty much covering its own ass and at the same time trying to save players like steven jackson from themselves. but idiots are idiots. they're not going to listen.
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This is certainly a prime example of overreaching. If a team or organization wants to regulate what players can do because of safety concerns, fine... but the league has no business regulating the activities of players.
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i don't see the big deal. he's not banning all the night clubs, just the troubled ones. the kind that are involved in shootouts and gang violence. you know every city has a couple of those. we had a list like that in the army. its just a cover your ass kind of thing that if someone gets into trouble at the joint, the league can say i told you not to go there. its just the league pretty much covering its own ass and at the same time trying to save players like steven jackson from themselves. but idiots are idiots. they're not going to listen.

If a player goes out and gets injured or killed because they went somewhere that was dangerous, that doesn't fall on the league. There is no need for the league to cover itself; they aren't liable to begin with. If they were liable, then actions like these could be reasonably debated.
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exactly... but even further.... if you pick up a newspaper, you'll see a society full of people doing the same things players in the NBA and NFL do...

if Stern was smart, he'd better the league promoting positives and work on isolating the problem players and dealing with them(specifically) in harsh manner....

blanket rules like this are counter producvtive and and lazy...

He's not helpin the league's image by doing stuff like this
that's a very good take on things! highlight the players you want to highlight and all the good that is done, and address everything else on a problem by problem basis.
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whats really more disconcerting, that David Stern wants to institute this policy, or the fact that grownass men have to be told not to hang out at places that are notorious for inviting trouble?

Grown ass men (politicians, police officers, school teachers, professors, priests) of many trades and walks of life have the same problem... I wonder why this hasnt been proposed before now?



I'd actually like to see this list and find out who compiled it and how they determined what places are bad, and what places are good...
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If a player goes out and gets injured or killed because they went somewhere that was dangerous, that doesn't fall on the league. There is no need for the league to cover itself; they aren't liable to begin with. If they were liable, then actions like these could be reasonably debated.
every time an incident like that happens, the league's image takes a hit. now with this list, the league can exonerate itself and just place all the blame on the player. fine him, punish him, call him a bad apple and stay in the clear itself. PR management.
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Grown ass men (politicians, police officers, school teachers, professors, priests) of many trades and walks of life have the same problem... I wonder why this hasnt been proposed before now?



I'd actually like to see this list and find out who compiled it and how they determined what places are bad, and what places are good...

its places that have high incidents of criminal activity, IE - the police being called. its pretty simple.
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I don't see the big problem. NBA players are paid a ton of money, so the teams are going to want to protect their investments. It's no different from banning players from motorcycles and such. If the players don't like it, pay the fine, or quit the league and start a fukn rap career if these nightclubs are such a big deal to them.
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