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Old 02-15-2015, 09:25 PM   #1
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So role players can become All-Stars now?
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:36 PM   #2
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dumb pick i agree
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:41 PM   #3
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You just now found out that he was an all star?
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:42 PM   #4
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Cause he's on that flash in the pan team.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:45 PM   #5
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You just now found out that he was an all star?
I knew about it a few days ago and I find it weird. He's a role player whose only great contribution is to shoot 3s. That's like Steve Kerr or Robert Horry becoming All-Stars.
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yeah nba allstar Kyle Korver just doesn't feel right
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:11 PM   #7
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People love the story. They want to believe so badly that he has the Dirk effect about him, where his game is so much more than his stats...but the reality is that he really is a role player. If you put him on any other team where the coaching isn't elite, the system isn't elite, his teammates don't fit his skills to a T...he's not sniffing the all star team. He's back to compete irrelevancy.

Knight should've been an all-star. He might not fit our team's needs but as an individual player he's a hell of a lot more suited for an AS game than Korver, and his abilities can translate anywhere. He's putting up the numbers, he's on a good team, and most importantly he can create like an all-star. He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:51 PM   #8
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He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.

What most fans just cannot grasp is that basketball is a system.
There are different mechanisms in the system, just because you dribble the ball around does not necessarily make you better.

7 threes and counting...
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:52 PM   #9
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...but the reality is that he really is a role player.

On winning teams, every player is a role player.
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:56 PM   #10
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So much hate for Korver Dude's having a historic shooting season and a straight up baller.. ya'll just hating because he's white
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:59 PM   #11
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Because all star selections actually mean anything...
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People love the story. They want to believe so badly that he has the Dirk effect about him, where his game is so much more than his stats...but the reality is that he really is a role player. If you put him on any other team where the coaching isn't elite, the system isn't elite, his teammates don't fit his skills to a T...he's not sniffing the all star team. He's back to compete irrelevancy.

Knight should've been an all-star. He might not fit our team's needs but as an individual player he's a hell of a lot more suited for an AS game than Korver, and his abilities can translate anywhere. He's putting up the numbers, he's on a good team, and most importantly he can create like an all-star. He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.
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What most fans just cannot grasp is that basketball is a system.
There are different mechanisms in the system, just because you dribble the ball around does not necessarily make you better.

7 threes and counting...
But it can though. Being able to create offense for yourself absolutely can make you better than other players. There's a difference between guys like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as offensive players. They can both shoot the lights out at comparable levels, but Curry shits on Klay as a ball handler and playmaker. Curry's game is infinitely more valuable and reliable offensively because of his surreal ability to create something out of nothing, whereas Klay at best as a creator is just good.

7 threes in a game with zero defense, creating nothing. You put Korver on a team like the current Kings, and he's totally irrelevant right now. You put Knight on any other team and he's still capable of making things happen, because his shot-creating ability is reliant only on itself, not coaching, a system, and teammates that play well around you. Korver didn't magically become an all-star, GOAT-tier shooter this season. He's just in the absolute perfect situation for his skills to manifest themselves into impact. But it does not make him an all star talent.
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On winning teams, every player is a role player.
What is this even supposed to say? I mean of course everyone has their own role, therefore everyone technically is a role player...but it's like saying JJ Redick, Patty Mills, and Dirk Nowitzki are all shooters...it's true, but simplifying it like that means nothing. Go tell Lebron, Kobe, or Mike they're role players and see how they respond.
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But it can though. Being able to create offense for yourself absolutely can make you better than other players. There's a difference between guys like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as offensive players. They can both shoot the lights out at comparable levels, but Curry shits on Klay as a ball handler and playmaker. Curry's game is infinitely more valuable and reliable offensively because of his surreal ability to create something out of nothing, whereas Klay at best as a creator is just good.

7 threes in a game with zero defense, creating nothing. You put Korver on a team like the current Kings, and he's totally irrelevant right now. You put Knight on any other team and he's still capable of making things happen, because his shot-creating ability is reliant only on itself, not coaching, a system, and teammates that play well around you. Korver didn't magically become an all-star, GOAT-tier shooter this season. He's just in the absolute perfect situation for his skills to manifest themselves into impact. But it does not make him an all star talent.

What is this even supposed to say? I mean of course everyone has their own role, therefore everyone technically is a role player...but it's like saying JJ Redick, Patty Mills, and Dirk Nowitzki are all shooters...it's true, but simplifying it like that means nothing. Go tell Lebron, Kobe, or Mike they're role players and see how they respond.
I'll take korver on the hawks over knight on the hawks literally 100 times out of 100, despite knights amazing ability to be "reliant" on himself
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I'll take korver on the hawks over knight on the hawks literally 100 times out of 100, despite knights amazing ability to be "reliant" on himself
And I'd take Knight on the Bucks 100 times out of 100 over Korver, even with how much I clown him here at times.

Literally all this is saying is that Korver fits perfectly on the Hawks, and Knight better on the Bucks. Means nothing about his all-star deservingness.
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