No Top 3 Pick for Nets

[Robster89]

Lottery order was just announced, and the Nets failed to secure a top 3 pick, which means their first round pick goes to Portland.
Now, is a Lopez/Brooks package enough to secure Dwight Howard?
Or does a Laker offer of Bynum make more sense for Orlando?

My dream scenario:

DWill wants out of Brooklyn, and convinces Dwight LA is the place.

1. Lakers send Bynum to Orlando for Dwight.
2. Lakers send Gasol to Houston
Houston sends Lowery and a pick to Brooklyn
Nets S&T Dwill to Lakers
3. Lakers send McRoberts/Blake/Cash/future pick to New Orleans for Ariza.
Lakers amnesty MWP.
4. Lakers resign Hill and Sessions (strengthening the bench tremendously).
5. Lakers sign Gerald Green with mini MLE
6. Lakers aquire PF using Odom TPE. (Perhaps taking Scola off their hands convinces Houston to move Lowery.
7. Lakers sign Lamar Odom in December with vet min.

Reasoning:
1. Orlando likes Bynum better than Lopez
2. Houston still values Gasol, and Lowery's trade demand/ Dragics play convince them to move him as their bargaining power has been reduced.
Nets have little bargaining power with DWill if Orlando moves Dwight to Lakers, they would have to settle for Lowery rather than seeing DWill sign in Dallas as a FA and receive nothing.
3. New Orleans wants to build around Anthony Davis/Gordon/Aminu, and this deal saves them a bunch of money and secures another first rounder.
4. Lakers need a solid bench
5. Ditto
6. To help convince Houston to move Lowery, Lakers agree to take on Scola, whom Houston wants to move. (This is the piece of this I like the least. Scola is solid, but has 3 more years on his deal. Will he hold up?)
7. According to Stephen A. Smith, Lamar desperatley wants back in LA. He gives us an atlernative to Scola at the 4, and a totally different look at the 4.

Lakers rotaion:
1. DWill
2. Kobe
3. Ariza
4. Scola/LO
5. Dwight

Bench:
Sessions
Green
Hill

Hall of Famers at 3 positons.
One of the best defending and athletic 3's (a great compliment to the Big 3)
Solid complimentary pieces at the 4.
A bench that could score some freaking points!

Championship!
And 2 future Hall of Famers to build around once Kobe retires.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

The Nets not getting a top 3 pick is the best thing that ever happen to the Lakers right now. We now have a chance to get Dwight or Deron.

[qrich]

If the Nets will give up Deron for Lowry and a pick, Houston would tell the Lakers to gtfo and keep DWill for themselves

[Robster89]

Originally Posted by qrich

If the Nets will give up Deron for Lowry and a pick, Houston would tell the Lakers to gtfo and keep DWill for themselves

Nets have no leverage at all if Orlando does not want their package for Dwight. That's the whole point.
DWill is a FA come July 1. He can go anywhere he wants, and he doesn't want Houston.
He has already said his desires are Lakers or Mavs, if he leaves Brooklyn, which is completely dependent on whether Nets can aquire Dwight.
Nets cannot even trade him unless it's a S&T that he wants, so no, Houston would say gtfo and keep him for themselves.
And Nets would do a S&T that nets them a nice player rather than watch him walk to Dallas for nada.

[tamaraw08]

Originally Posted by Robster89

Lottery order was just announced, and the Nets failed to secure a top 3 pick, which means their first round pick goes to Portland.
Now, is a Lopez/Brooks package enough to secure Dwight Howard?
Or does a Laker offer of Bynum make more sense for Orlando?

My dream scenario:

DWill wants out of Brooklyn, and convinces Dwight LA is the place.

1. Lakers send Bynum to Orlando for Dwight.
2. Lakers send Gasol to Houston
Houston sends Lowery and a pick to Brooklyn
Nets S&T Dwill to Lakers
3. Lakers send McRoberts/Blake/Cash/future pick to New Orleans for Ariza.
Lakers amnesty MWP.
4. Lakers resign Hill and Sessions (strengthening the bench tremendously).
5. Lakers sign Gerald Green with mini MLE
6. Lakers aquire PF using Odom TPE. (Perhaps taking Scola off their hands convinces Houston to move Lowery.
7. Lakers sign Lamar Odom in December with vet min.

Reasoning:
1. Orlando likes Bynum better than Lopez
2. Houston still values Gasol, and Lowery's trade demand/ Dragics play convince them to move him as their bargaining power has been reduced.
Nets have little bargaining power with DWill if Orlando moves Dwight to Lakers, they would have to settle for Lowery rather than seeing DWill sign in Dallas as a FA and receive nothing.
3. New Orleans wants to build around Anthony Davis/Gordon/Aminu, and this deal saves them a bunch of money and secures another first rounder.
4. Lakers need a solid bench
5. Ditto
6. To help convince Houston to move Lowery, Lakers agree to take on Scola, whom Houston wants to move. (This is the piece of this I like the least. Scola is solid, but has 3 more years on his deal. Will he hold up?)
7. According to Stephen A. Smith, Lamar desperatley wants back in LA. He gives us an atlernative to Scola at the 4, and a totally different look at the 4.

Lakers rotaion:
1. DWill
2. Kobe
3. Ariza
4. Scola/LO
5. Dwight

Bench:
Sessions
Green
Hill

Hall of Famers at 3 positons.
One of the best defending and athletic 3's (a great compliment to the Big 3)
Solid complimentary pieces at the 4.
A bench that could score some freaking points!

Championship!
And 2 future Hall of Famers to build around once Kobe retires.

whew, that's quite a long read but how do the Lakers land D-Will again, sign & trade for Lowry for much exactly? Ho
I think the most likely scenario now is that D-Will signs with Dallas who has about 15 Mil cap room to team up with Dirk and Shawn Marion. They then convince Howard to join them next summer.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

no need to do all this

trade
Pau to Wizards for #3 & rashard lewis
Deron williams to Lakers
Nets get #3 & rashard lewis - expirer

wizards want to surround john wall with classic vets & they will also be intrigued by playing nene/pau alongside

[DKLaker]

Originally Posted by Lakers_Kobe_Fan

no need to do all this

trade
Pau to Wizards for #3 & rashard lewis
Deron williams to Lakers
Nets get #3 & rashard lewis - expirer

wizards want to surround john wall with classic vets & they will also be intrigued by playing nene/pau alongside

Hmmmmmm.......that is an interesting possibility.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Originally Posted by Lakers_Kobe_Fan

no need to do all this

trade
Pau to Wizards for #3 & rashard lewis
Deron williams to Lakers
Nets get #3 & rashard lewis - expirer

wizards want to surround john wall with classic vets & they will also be intrigued by playing nene/pau alongside

This would actually be a good plan. The question is will the Wizards give up that #3 overall pick for a 31 year old PF? I don't really think so. It is a scenario that would make a little sense though.

[BØBØ]

Lakers cannot bring in anyone via Sign and Trade or extend and trade. Tax teams don't have that option.

Deron Williams will not be exercising his player option at this point, with the Nets failing to secure the first pick they have nothing the Magic would want in exchange for Dwight. Plus the Magic will do nothing until the new GM is in place. Deron will most likely become a free agent. Next stop Dallas?

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Originally Posted by BØBØ

Lakers cannot bring in anyone via Sign and Trade or extend and trade. Tax teams don't have that option.

Deron Williams will not be exercising his player option at this point, with the Nets failing to secure the first pick they have nothing the Magic would want in exchange for Dwight. Plus the Magic will do nothing until the new GM is in place. Deron will most likely become a free agent. Next stop Dallas?

I think you're right about this. Maybe our main focus is on the wrong person right now. Should we shift it to Dwight, lets think about it for a second. If you get one you have a huge chance of getting the other. The Lakers can't do sign and trade because we are one of the tax paying teams. Deron plan is to become a free agent anyway while Dwight is still under contract. Our best logical solution is trade for Dwight and hope something work out to land Deron.

[Robster89]

Originally Posted by BØBØ

Lakers cannot bring in anyone via Sign and Trade or extend and trade. Tax teams don't have that option.

Deron Williams will not be exercising his player option at this point, with the Nets failing to secure the first pick they have nothing the Magic would want in exchange for Dwight. Plus the Magic will do nothing until the new GM is in place. Deron will most likely become a free agent. Next stop Dallas?

Is that part of the new CBA?
Even if we are sending out as much or more than we are taking back?

Maybe the only way to secure DWill is for him to opt in for his final year and then get traded, then sign a max extention. If this happened the Lakers would have his Bird rights, no?

[Robster89]

Don't know if you guys saw this, it is on the Bleaker report. I know it's usually garbage but it is interesting and worthy of discussion:

Lakers out:
Bynum
MWP

Lakers in:
Deron Williams
Demarcus Cousins
John Salmons

Kings out:
Tyreke Evans
D. Cousins
F. Garcia

Kings In:
Brook Lopez
2 first rounders from Nets
Cash

Nets out:
DWill
Lopez

Nets In:
Bynum
Evans
MWP
F. Garcia

Some of the reasoning was:
Lopez is from N. Cal, and returns home and is a good guy. They have concerns about Cousins.
The Kings have Lopez, future picks and cash to move into new arean and rebuild around. They need cash and have serious concerns about extending Evans and Cousins.
Kings have let it be known they would move Evans, and there are concerns about building around Cousins, and possibly maxing him out down the road.

Bynum and Evans are both from the Jersey area, so both return home.
If Dwight is not coming to Nets, they will lose DWill for nothing.
They get 2 nice young players to move into new arena and start building around.

The Lakers would have:
1. DWill
2. Kobe
3. Ebanks
4. Gasol
5. Cousins

With Blake, Hill and Salmons off the bench.

The Lakers would also have just DWill on the books after 2 years, and over 40 mil in open cap space. Basically, getting both DWill and Cousins for Bynum (and taking on Salmons bad deal, but at least he scores), and moving MWP without having to amnesty him.

Thoughts?

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Originally Posted by Robster89

Is that part of the new CBA?
Even if we are sending out as much or more than we are taking back?

Maybe the only way to secure DWill is for him to opt in for his final year and then get traded, then sign a max extention. If this happened the Lakers would have his Bird rights, no?

Yeah it's in the new CBA. I guess Deron Williams will have to opt in for it to work but that will give the Nets more time to come up with scenarios to pair Deron with Dwight. I don't want to take that chance. We either have to go and get Dwight now and hope Deron opt in some he could leverage his way to the Lakers.

[DKLaker]

Originally Posted by Robster89

Don't know if you guys saw this, it is on the Bleaker report. I know it's usually garbage but it is interesting and worthy of discussion:

Lakers out:
Bynum
MWP

Lakers in:
Deron Williams
Demarcus Cousins
John Salmons

Kings out:
Tyreke Evans
D. Cousins
F. Garcia

Kings In:
Brook Lopez
2 first rounders from Nets
Cash

Nets out:
DWill
Lopez

Nets In:
Bynum
Evans
MWP
F. Garcia

Some of the reasoning was:
Lopez is from N. Cal, and returns home and is a good guy. They have concerns about Cousins.
The Kings have Lopez, future picks and cash to move into new arean and rebuild around. They need cash and have serious concerns about extending Evans and Cousins.
Kings have let it be known they would move Evans, and there are concerns about building around Cousins, and possibly maxing him out down the road.

Bynum and Evans are both from the Jersey area, so both return home.
If Dwight is not coming to Nets, they will lose DWill for nothing.
They get 2 nice young players to move into new arena and start building around.

The Lakers would have:
1. DWill
2. Kobe
3. Ebanks
4. Gasol
5. Cousins

With Blake, Hill and Salmons off the bench.

The Lakers would also have just DWill on the books after 2 years, and over 40 mil in open cap space. Basically, getting both DWill and Cousins for Bynum (and taking on Salmons bad deal, but at least he scores), and moving MWP without having to amnesty him.

Thoughts?

It makes sense however we would still need to make an additional deal or two.......but that still doesn't address our biggest problem in MB.

[BØBØ]

Originally Posted by Robster89

Is that part of the new CBA?
Even if we are sending out as much or more than we are taking back?

Maybe the only way to secure DWill is for him to opt in for his final year and then get traded, then sign a max extention. If this happened the Lakers would have his Bird rights, no?

Yes it is.

The problem is do you gamble on it being a rental? If he picks up his option that's the only way he comes to LA other than him taking 3 million a year on the mid level. AND that's not happening.

Deron wants to play with Dwight, they're real close friends, there's more than a good chance they have been planning this for a year or more. To complicate matters, Dwight wants nothing to do with the Lakers, he's said so. He doesn't like Kobe, he doesn't hate him but they just don't click, more-so he doesn't care to follow in the shadows of other Laker greats and he realizes Kobe's window is much smaller than Deron's. Dwight doesn't want to get stuck in an "Orlando West Situation" being the anchor of a team looking for a supporting cast. Not with the way the CBA is constructed.

He and Deron could easily be constructing a Lebron Bosh to Miami scenario. Lakers could trade for him lose Bynum or Gasol as trade chips and still see Deron walk next summer as he and Howard find a place to team up. Lebron Wade and Bosh laid out the template for this and they didn't throw away the plans.

The Lakers are not going to make moves based on promises. Not in this climate. One bad move on a scale like this could take years to recover from. The years of the Lakers flashing their checkbook and getting what they need are over for now. It used to be they could get a guy if he worked great if not park him on the bench until his contract expired or you can find somebody who does want him and until then find somebody who does fill your needs. Now almost every spot on the bench has to have a reason to be there, starter, role player or up and comer. Gone are the days when you can keep a Luke Walton on the bench because he's a good practice player. You have to have a reason to be there or you're just tying up valuable salary cap space.

That's why their bringing or looking to bring up the GM from the Defenders to work with Mitch, they need a savvy new world mind in the front office to help them navigate the new CBA and all it's intricacies. It's a numbers game now the old guard needs to stand down and let the $ vs performance guys take over