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Old 09-15-2017, 07:17 AM   #1
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Kyrie Irving (June 20th, 2016):

[on Game 7 Finals]

“That moment right there happened, and I was like ‘ok, I’m fine’ ” Irving said. “And all I was thinking about in the back of my mind was Mamba mentality. Just Mamba mentality, that’s all I was thinking.”


Source:
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/20/nba...amba-mentality





Charles Barkley (June 20th, 2016):

"The 5 greatest players in my opinion are: Michael, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem, and Wilt. I have Kobe at 6. I got Tim Duncan at 7. And then you've got LeBron, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic, and Bird. They're in that group, you put them where you want to. But I'm not just gonna' automatically put LeBron past Kobe as far as this generation. As far as Kobe and Tim Duncan. Those guys got 5 world championships. LeBron has 3, which is amazing. But I don't live in the moment. I'm not gonna' just say, 'Wait a minute, I'm gonna' move him past Kobe and Tim Duncan now.' I mean, I'm just not gonna' do that."

Source:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=16363278






Kyrie Irving (July 19th, 2016):

“In terms of a mental approach, as well as some technical stuff about the game, I’ll always go to Kobe, because he’s as polished as they come. If you’re talking about a who literally just physically imposed himself on the game every single day, and that mindset, oh I definitely going to talk Kobe.”

Source:
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/07/19/...ys-go-to-kobe/






Trevor Ariza & Jason Terry (July 20th, 2016):

Trevor Ariza & Jason Terry just agreed on @SiriusXMNBA that Kobe is best player of the generation over both Duncan & Lebron.


Source:
https://twitter.com/TermineRadio/sta...rc=twsrc%5Etfw






Stephen Jackson (August 9th, 2016):


[on LeBron]

“He is definitely in my mind one of the Top 5 players to ever play the game, if not Top 3 behind Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.”



Source:
http://*********.com/2016/08/09/step...-on-the-bulls/







Allen Iverson (August 21st, 2016):

Iverson recently sat down with rapper Jadakiss for a wide-ranging interview that touched on a number of topics, including his top five players of all-time -- though Iverson was hard-pressed to settle on a fifth.
"Mike [Jordan], Shaq [O'Neal], Kobe [Bryant], LeBron [James]. [The fifth one] could be a lot of dudes," he said.


Source:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...yers-all-today






Mugsy Bogues (August 23rd, 2016):

[who should star in Space Jam 2?]

"I heard Michael say he would like to see Blake Griffin star as him, but I would've thought Kobe (Bryant) would kind of fit that mold more.”

Source:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/spo...e97436592.html





Charles Barkley (August 26th, 2016):


[on Kobe vs LeBron]

“The only problem I have with it, I don’t know how he just passes Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan … Now if he wins a couple more championships, yeah he’s in that conversation, but that’s a long way to go.”


Source:
http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/108...t-alone-jordan






Shaquille O’Neal (September 7th, 2016):

[on Kobe]

“You don’t know how good you got something until it’s gone. When I left L.A. I got DWade, similar type of player. But when I went on after that I was like, ‘You know what? I had the greatest player ever.’ *We could’ve won 6, 7 championships together. You live and you learn.”

[Best player since Jordan?]

“I’d probably have to go with the Kobester. ‘Cause his attitude was Jordan-like. He was able to take over games, especially in the 4th quarter. For example: when I tested Kobe out for his last game I said, ‘Kobe, I need you to hit 50.’ He said, “Nah, I’m not gonna’ do it.” But when he saw me there and he started going he said, ‘You know what? You want me to get 50, Big Dawg? I’ll do it for you.’ And he’s always had that ability. It’ll be times in the games, especially in the playoffs, where I’m not really going or I’m tired, and I’d be like, ‘Kobe, I need you to take over.’ And he would take over every time. 50 out of 50 times. It was never a time where I asked Kobe to take over the game and he didn’t perform. So, to answer your question I gotta’ go with the Kobester.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/yQEmPj0rAnE?t=700
https://youtu.be/yQEmPj0rAnE?t=971





Dwyane Wade (January 4th, 2017):

"For me, 1-2, however you want to put 'em, is him and Kobe," Wade said, via 16 Wins A Ring's Spencer Davies. "Obviously I've had to guard Kobe more, so I've been in that battle a little more with Kobe. But LeBron, we've never seen a player like him. We've seen Magic, they got a similar style, but what he does in a game, how he affects games, I haven't seen that. I haven't went against it. But him and Kobe for sure are the hardest and toughest guys that I've ever had to play against."

Source:
https://twitter.com/SpinDavies/statu...12357787406336

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dw...ers-hes-faced/




Vince Carter (January 26th, 2017):

“I tried my damnedest to prove that I’m me. I’m not Michael Jordan,” Carter told The Vertical. “Kobe is probably the closest. I watched Michael Jordan. Studied him. Admired him. Super fan of him. I mean, Dr. J was my ultimate. Michael Jordan right there is a very close second. But when someone said, ‘He’s not Michael Jordan.’ I was like, ‘Yeah, I know, thank you.’ ”


Source:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vince-c...192415260.html




Kyrie Irving (February 17th, 2017):

[on his All-Time NBA Team]

"I'd put MJ at the 1, Kobe at the 2, Ray Allen at the 3, gotta space it out, got to have a spot up 4, so I'm probably going to go with KG, he's going to rim-run, do the dirty work. I'd put Shaq at the 5."

Source:
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html

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Old 09-15-2017, 07:18 AM   #2
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Dr. Michael Eric Dyson (April 20th, 2017):

"Jordan can never be duplicated. What he did for the culture. What he represented. What he did in terms of taking the game global. What he did in terms of making it as sexy as possible. That's undeniable. And joining the culture of commerce to the culture of black athletic style. The man is incredible. Because people forget: the hoop earring, the shaved hair, the baggy shorts... That's not the hood, that's Michael Jordan. So there's no doubt about it. But, to me: basketball on the court, complicated shots, shooting over taller opponents, footwork with extraordinary grace. The élan vital of the athletic balladry that he put on that court, I think there has been nobody better than Kobe Bryant. I think with the kind of will to win and playing through injury. Here's Michael Jordan: he's sick in one game, has a temperature. Scottie Pippen has to take him off the court. "Oh my god, look at him." This man played with a broken finger and won a championship. Had to rotate the ball off of the broken finger. I'm not denying the genius of Michael Jordan, I'm saying Kobe Bean Bryant, in my estimation, was the greatest basketball player. Studied the game, was a student of the game, worked harder than anybody else, including Jordan, to do what he did. That's why I think he's the greatest of all time."
“Jordan never had to defer to a great player like Shaq. Phil Jackson was not trying to regulate on Michael Jordan the way he did on Kobe. Now we see what Phil Jackson is made of. Kobe is the Greatest of All Time. The GOAT. Not a derivative. Jesus was derivative of God but he still managed to be divine. He [Jordan] was never tested to that degree [08 Celtics]. Kobe is better because he came back from defeat.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/v_HbbhHTvtk






Jelani McCoy (April 26th, 2017)

“You couldn’t have had a better player for that time than Kobe Bryant. He soaked up every bit of that and used that to what he is now. Which is one of the greatest, if not the greatest player of all time.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/Bd8E6vJB7UY?t=341





Ron Artest (May 4th, 2017):

“Top 4 players in in NBA history: 1) Kobe Bryant , 2) Jordan, 3) Shaq, 4) Wilt Chamberlain.”

Source:
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/05/04/me...michael-jordan




Caron Butler (May 9th, 2017)

[LeBron only player in the conversation with MJ?]

“Him or Kobe in the same conversation as Michael Jordan. I’m just telling you, man, Kobe is a great. Kobe got five championships. He never left L.A.. He’s a great. If you’re gonna’ have the conversation you gotta’ talk about all aspects of it.”

Source:
https://youtu.be/Pumin0QqxDs?t=119





Stephen Jackson (May 12th, 2017):

[on MJ/Kobe/LeBron]

"Kobe was close to MJ. Very close. But LeBron is night-&-day. They're two different players. You can't compare Kobe and LeBron. But you compare Kobe and Jordan."

[would you take Kobe or LeBron?]

"I would take Kobe. The reason why I like Kobe?: Relentless, The Mamba, that killer attitude. He's gonna' go out and play hard every night. He's not gonna' care who he's playing against. He don't wanna' work out with you if you're on the other team and be your friend in the summer time. I love the fact he has that killer instinct. He's about him and his team. Kobe's different, he's a killer. [LeBron] don't have that killer instinct like Kobe had. Like Jordan. He don't have that killer instinct."


Source:
https://youtu.be/hQjmwp8jlQ0?t=34
http://www.foxsports.com/watch/undis...o/942426691864




Jared Dudley (May 12th, 2017):

[toughest player to guard?]

“Kobe in his prime, by far. I say that just because of his mentality, the triangle, he was always in attack-mode. [LeBron], he can give you 30 and you won’t even feel like he’s destroying you because he’ll get 10 in transition where it had nothing to do with you. You know he’s gonna’ get a couple of fouls. And then he might make 3 threes because you’re going to let him shoot 5. So overall he might get hot that one night. So for me it was always Kobe one, Durant two, then LeBron.”

Source:
https://youtu.be/LStT295i9lI?t=1011





Chauncey Billups (May 13th, 2017):

[on Jordan/LeBron debate]

“But question: Why don’t we ever compare [LeBron] to Kobe? Why do they skip over Kobe? Kobe is right there with more championships. Why is it always just MJ? It’d be closer to me [comparing LeBron to Kobe instead of MJ].”

Source:
https://youtu.be/7F7wUB3UvjA?t=172





Charles Barkley (May 21st, 2017):

[on LeBron vs Kobe]

"The guy is unbelievable and I tell people: if he's able to win the championship this year I might move him on the level with Kobe Bryant. Kobe won 5 championships, LeBron has 3. If he's able to beat the Golden State Warriors, I say... Because right now I have him and Kobe neck-&-neck. Kobe's a little ahead of him because he's got more championships. But if he's able to win this championship and beat a loaded Golden State Warriors I might put him even with the great Kobe Bryant."

Source:
https://youtu.be/oWFHGTwdd8g?t=195





Paul Pierce (May 25th, 2017)

[All-Time Starting 5]

“My starting five: Magic Johnson, I’m going Michael Jordan, I’m going Kobe at the 3, I’m going Russell at the four. My center is Kareem.

Source:
https://youtu.be/tg5x569S4E0?t=57







Scottie Pippen (May 24th, 2017)

[on Kobe vs LeBron]

“I don’t think he’s surpassed Kobe at all, no. And I don’t think he should be compared to either of those players because they play different positions. Kobe and Michael are both two-guards, they’re both scorers. They’re mostly like a Kyrie, they’re looking to score the basketball when it hits their hand. They’re not looking to make plays for anybody on the floor, they’re not looking to be a facilitator. That’s the role that LeBron plays because he’s such a dominant and powerful force, and he’s a great passer."

Source:

https://youtu.be/4LBPmw9f6VM

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Rashad McCants (June 9th, 2017):

[Kobe is the Greatest of All Time?]

“The GOAT. He’s the GOAT. He came out of highschool. He mimicked Michael Jordan, who is arguably the greatest player of all time, of course. I feel like Kobe Bryant took the game and elevated it where Michael left it. He elevated it. 81 points, the consecutive playoffs appearances, his streetball mentality. He’s a better scorer than Michael Jordan, better three-point shooter, better ball-handler, better passer. He’s not a better athlete, he’s not a better defender. They both have that champion mentality. What you can say is that he won without Shaq and Michael Jordan didn’t win without Scottie Pippen. He didn’t need any other star player. He won 2 championships without having star players. It’s all about legacy. We make the legacy of our stars all about stats. I’m talking about skill. I’m talking about pure skill and will. I just finished watching film on Michael last night, and he’s incredible. The debate of saying Michael is the greatest, you have to put it up there. But Kobe Bryant came along as the student and surpassed the master. Kobe had those guys [Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell] to climb over as well and he has. We just don’t want to give it to him. You don’twant to give it to him because Michael is our sports Jesus. Because he did it first, he did it first. He was the first one to give us everything. How many real good players were in the league when Kobe was in the league? A lot. A lot of guys didn’t win championships because of Kobe Bryant. Give Kobe his credit.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/xYLNvsna66A?t=489




Kenyon Martin (June 25th, 2017)

[on Lebron]

“For me it boils down to mentality. LeBron is a hell of a talent. He makes everyone around him better, we know that. For me it comes down to mentality. And I think the closest thing to Michael Jordan, in my opinion, is Kobe Bryant. Because of the meantility. By any means necessary.They ain’t taking thirteen shots in a finals game. They go down blazing.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/UWv04K1tOa0





Michael Jordan (August 2nd, 2017)

[would you rank LeBron over Kobe?]


“Would I rank LeBron over Kobe in terms of best of all time? No. There’s something about 5 that beats 3. Now [LeBron] may be mad at me now, but Kobe won five championships. LeBron won three -- although he's been to seven Finals."

Source:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...t-lebron-james

https://youtu.be/SRhg7ffO9cY






Kenyon Martin (August 3rd, 2017)

[Kobe over LeBron?]

“Yeah, I’m Team Kobe. But that’s just me. I played against both guys. More Kobe being in the West, seeing that first hand. Taking nothing away from LeBron, but I’m Team Kobe. [Because?] Just mentality. He’s the closest thing, in my opinion, to Michael Jordan.”


Source:
https://youtu.be/Zv8fSXE5cGM







Demarcus Cousins (August 3rd, 2017)


[NBA Mt. Rushmore?]


“Magic Johnson, Shaquille O’Neal… this is tough man,” Cousins giggled. “Michael Jordan. I think LeBron James is one of the greatest all-time, but right now Kobe Bryant.”

Source:
http://www.opencourt-basketball.com/...e-mt-rushmore/






Markelle Fultz (August 12th, 2017):


[Kobe vs LeBron]

“I think Kobe’s better but that’s no knock on LeBron. But Kobe’s, I mean, the next thing after Jordan, really. Championships do have a role to play with it, but when you just look at the work that Kobe has done, it’s unbelievable.”

Source:
https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/i...markelle-fultz
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-n...es/2017/08/12/







Kevin Durant (August 23rd, 2017)


“I don’t remember the conversation but I can remember that I was very very... I was shaking. Kobe is a god to me, basketball-wise. So just to see him actually know my name at that time... I was 18... it was surreal,” Durant said of his first time meeting Bryant.

Source:
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...-meet-birthday






Charles Barkley (September 7th, 2017)

“It’s my list. 1) Michael, 2) Oscar, 3) Wilt, 4) Bill Russell, and 5) Kareem. Kobe’s 6. LeBron’s 7. Then you got 8) Jerry West, 9)Elgin Baylor, 10) Tim Duncan, 11) Larry Bird, and 12) Magic Johnson.”

Source:
https://twitter.com/CSNPhilly/status/905555475936235520

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If anyone actually bothers to read some of those opinions, they just come off as retarded AF. For instance:

Charles Barkley on June 20th, 2016:

"The 5 greatest players in my opinion are: Michael, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem, and Wilt. I have Kobe at 6. I got Tim Duncan at 7. And then you've got LeBron, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic, and Bird.

The same dude 3 months later:

“It’s my list. *1) Michael, 2) Oscar, 3) Wilt, 4) Bill Russell, and 5) Kareem. *Kobe’s 6. *LeBron’s 7. *Then you got 8) Jerry West, 9)Elgin Baylor, 10) Tim Duncan, 11) Larry Bird, and 12) Magic Johnson.”

In a span of 3 months, somehow Wilt surpassed Russell, West and Baylor surpassed Duncan, etc.

And then we have this complete and utter retard:

*He’s a better scorer than Michael Jordan, better three-point shooter, better ball-handler, better passer.

Fat boy Whitlock was in utter disbelief as well.


EDIT: Just watched the entire interview. The retard said KD has been the best player since he entered the league.

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i'm amused by Kyrie putting Ray Allen in his all-time starting five. I understand that he wants a shooter in there but it just kind of makes it seem like he doesn't know much about players he didn't watch growing up.

And we run into another problem with quotes. And not even the obvious one which is contradictory quotes by the same people. You will have people saying things that are complementary that when seen in another light are derogatory in the eyes of the people posting the quote.

Like Barkley having Kobe top five with Oscar Robertson above him. I've seen so many Kobe fans rag on Oscar but you just know they won't use that opinion to discredit Barkley here because the other side of the same argument would go down with it.

Is like how the some old legends seem to both think LeBron is a soft bitch and that he's as good as anyone ever. You read it and youre just thinking "Pick one...." but that's just the nature of quotes. Everybody can be argued to think everything if you're willing to ignore everything else the same person ever said.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Magic Johnson list six different people as the greatest of all time.

Anyway there is very little in there you wouldn't expect some people to think. I didn't see anything "Somebody slap this *****...." stupid at a glance aside from the Ray Allen thing.
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Hey IllegalD, how do you have so much free time to find those quotes?

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Ain't this some irony, from a nikka with, what, at least alts?
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I just saw the Fultz quote. He was 12 when Kobe started really falling off.

Anyway....


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And then we have this complete and utter retard:

*He’s a better scorer than Michael Jordan, better three-point shooter, better ball-handler, better passer.

Fat boy Whitlock was in utter disbelief as well.

At least 3 of those things aren't shocking to hear. Well none of them really. I don't agree with 2 of them but they aren't that out of line.

Kobe is right there with anyone as a straight up scoring machine. I lean Jordan because I want the easier shots his athletic ability gave him but one wouldn't have to be a total moron to make a case for Kobe being the equal of anyone as a scorer. The case against it is numbers not so much a basketball discussion.

And Jordan wasn't like some wizard of a ball handler. He could get anywhere he wanted but its kinda like comparing Iversons handles to Kyrie. They both got what they wanted but AI did it more off quickness than in traffic handles.

Kobes handles were marginally more advanced because he came along in the crossover/flashy generation that worked on it more but flashier handles aren't always just....better.

They are similar really but you can give the edge to Kobe there and not be out of line.

Kobe isn't Jordan and to me isn't terribly close....but I can see why some people don't agree.

Hes the closest to the prime polished champion Jordan far as style and that is what people mean a lot of the time. Sometimes they mean as a player...ranking wise...but not usually. Kobe is the closest thing to that matured slightly slowed down 90s MJ. There is nothing wrong with that opinion.

I think the Kobe vs whoever argument is one that is always gonna be divisive because its so hard to stick to one criteria with him. The numbers guys will never be impressed. Even the rings guys have to concede that Shaq played too big a role to ignore. The skill/talent guys will always rep Kobe because he had it all. That guy was as polished as it got. He was Larry Bird polished....Steve Nash polished...he was stereotypical slow white guy making up for it with skills and meticulous preparation polished...while also being just shy of an all time elite athlete.

Hes a couple notches from the godly athletes but none of the godly athletes were skilled like him....with the arguable exception of MJ...which is why I have him firmly ahead. I guess you could put Hakeem on that godly athlete godly skilled level too but we often just pretend he didn't happen when we talk straight up talent.

Kobe isn't Jordan. But I can see why a lot of people think hes right there. Not everyone looks at these things the same way and a lot of young people came up with him as their idol. And a lot of these guys played with/against him too which always goes a long way towards adding respect.

As that levels out in time....I expect Kobe to usually fall between 7 and 15 or so in most peoples eyes. Jordan wont fall out of the top 3 for most in our lifetimes.

Not a hard call for me.
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I just saw the Fultz quote. He was 12 when Kobe started really falling off.

Anyway....




At least 3 of those things aren't shocking to hear. Well none of them really. I don't agree with 2 of them but they aren't that out of line.

Kobe is right there with anyone as a straight up scoring machine. I lean Jordan because I want the easier shots his athletic ability gave him but one wouldn't have to be a total moron to make a case for Kobe being the equal of anyone as a scorer. The case against it is numbers not so much a basketball discussion.
Come one, dude. Kobe is not close to being on MJ's level as a scorer or a passer. MJ at 38/39 was putting up PEAK Kobe numbers from midrange. MJ is also a better from pretty much everywhere on the floor than Kobe.
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If anyone actually bothers to read some of those opinions, they just come off as retarded AF. For instance:

Charles Barkley on June 20th, 2016:

"The 5 greatest players in my opinion are: Michael, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem, and Wilt. I have Kobe at 6. I got Tim Duncan at 7. And then you've got LeBron, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic, and Bird.

The same dude 3 months later:

“It’s my list. *1) Michael, 2) Oscar, 3) Wilt, 4) Bill Russell, and 5) Kareem. *Kobe’s 6. *LeBron’s 7. *Then you got 8) Jerry West, 9)Elgin Baylor, 10) Tim Duncan, 11) Larry Bird, and 12) Magic Johnson.”

In a span of 3 months, somehow Wilt surpassed Russell, West and Baylor surpassed Duncan, etc.

And then we have this complete and utter retard:

*He’s a better scorer than Michael Jordan, better three-point shooter, better ball-handler, better passer.

Fat boy Whitlock was in utter disbelief as well.


EDIT: Just watched the entire interview. The retard said KD has been the best player since he entered the league.

This is exactly why players opinions aint creditable at all, while the media have the authority in all time ranking. Players judge each other through impressions, eye-test or popularity. They dont use logic, they dont have consistency, and they overrate players they play with/against in their player careers. The NBA used to have players voting for season awards such as MVP, but quickly changed to Media voting since Players are biased and the results were laughable.

So yes, regardless of what Kobe's peers have to say about him, it will not change the fact that Kobe is at best the 4th greatest player in this generation, way below Duncan, Shaq and Lebron.
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MJ's passing is becoming somewhat underrated I notice. He was more of an instinctive reactionary passer and often created something out of thin air because his mentality was to score first. But look at some of those first 3-peat games, Horace Grant and marginal centers like Bill Cartwright/Will Perdue got a ton of easy looks because of the attention MJ drew going to the rim and would slither in something split-second through packed paints.

What Kobe never 'quite' figured out as consistently as MJ did ( I'd say 2008 was the best I ever saw him in this aspect, probably 2009 and 10 as well), was balancing the takeover scoring and passing in the same game. I'd see times where Kobe was obviously in scoring mode, and then there were nights where he seemed like 'ok, tonight I'm gonna pass and get 12 assists'. It just sometimes felt like it was pre-calculated choices to be either in a scoring groove OR a facilitator flow. Must have been hard as a teammate to know which Kobe was showing up on a given night. Like I said, he got better at it but I don't think ever to MJ's level on a consistent basis. MJ obviously had his nights as well where he was just scoring at will, even in the balanced triangle offense, but more often than not he'd let the team get into an established offensive rhythm and he could still get his 32 a game by the end of the game; as he once said, 32 a game is easy. It's just 8 points a quarter broken down. But, it meant the team from game to game had a flow that maximized everyone. It was obvious to me watching that 90's Bulls teams on nightly WGN feeds that they had a consistency to their teamwork.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:53 AM   #13
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Kobe is right there with anyone as a straight up scoring machine. I lean Jordan because I want the easier shots his athletic ability gave him but one wouldn't have to be a total moron to make a case for Kobe being the equal of anyone as a scorer. The case against it is numbers not so much a basketball discussion.




If you ignore all fcking evidence, yeah.
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Isaiah Thomas this year put up more ppg than 98 Jordan....shot the same from the field...and shot better from 3 and the Ft line...so he has a much better TS% on top of the slightly higher PPG. More assists too. If asked who the better scorer is....98 MJ or last years Thomas....you think I give a shit about that "evidence" in ITs favor?
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Isaiah Thomas this year put up more ppg than 98 Jordan....shot the same from the field...and shot better from 3 and the Ft line...so he has a much better TS% on top of the slightly higher PPG. More assists too. If asked who the better scorer is....98 MJ or last years Thomas....you think I give a shit about that "evidence" in ITs favor?

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