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Old 09-01-2011, 03:47 PM   #16
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Default Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

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The expectations in the team had now risen a lot, as it was imperative for Panathinaikos to obtain a significant title. In the summer of 1995, they acquired Dominique Wilkins, one of the top American players playing in Europe. The coach of the team was Božidar Maljković. The former along with Giannakis, Vranković, Alvertis and Patavoukas comprised a very experienced team, which, in 1996, managed an unprecedented success for Greek basketball. Indeed, in April 1996, at the Paris Final Four, Panathinaikos became the first Greek team to lift the European Championships (now called the Euroleague), beating FC Barcelona in a unique tournament final, by a score of 67–66. Back in Greece, right after the big win in Paris, the exit of Dominique Wilkins in the league final led to the loss of a championship from Olympiakos with 35 points difference.

So, you are lying again. They lost to Olympiakos AFTER 'Nique left. They won Euroleague (first Greek team ever to do so) with him there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathi...5.E2.80.931996

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Unhappy with his role on a rebuilding Celtics team, Wilkins signed to play for Panathinaikos of the Greek League. He averaged 20.9 points and 7.0 rebounds for Panathinaikos and led the team to the Euroleague title in 1996 alongside teammates Fragiskos Alvertis, Stojan Vranković and Panagiotis Giannakis. During the Final Four that was held in Paris he had 35 points and 8 rebounds in the semifinal against CSKA and a double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds against Barcelona in the final. His performances earned him the Final Four MVP award. He also won the Greek Cup with Panathinaikos and was named the MVP of the Final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Wilkins


Edit: You changed your post from "Dominique didn't win" to "The refs cheated" as you usually do when you run out of arguments.

It's pointless talking to you.

Bull shit lies again from Americans in Wikipedia.

He played 4 out of the 5 games in the Greek Finals. Once again, you use lies from Wikipedia, probably posted by you yourself to distort the truth here.
Truly pathetic.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:50 PM   #17
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Default Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

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Sabonis was not MVP of Euroleague. Why do you lie so much all the time?

He was MVP of stages of the season. The award does not even exist anymore because it was not even a real award. Once Euroleague realized people in the USA actually took it as a season MVP award they cancelled it.

Because idiots like you could not even grasp it was just for a month of the season.

The actual MVP of Euroleague was never anyone named Sabonis. The actual MVP of Euroleague award did not even exist until after Sabonis was retired. But of course little things like facts do not matter to you.

Do you think it makes you look cute to just throw around all these lies all the time and pass them off as facts?
Show me proof I'm wrong, and I'll stop.

As for Sabonis, here's proof he was the MVP of the Euroleague:

Euroleague Regular Season MVP award winners (2001-04):

FIBA SuproLeague 2000-01*


Nate Huffman





ULEB Euroleague 2000-01*


Dejan Tomašević






2001-02


Mirsad Türkcan





2002-03


Joseph Blair





2003-04


Arvydas Sabonis


Euroleague Top 16 MVP award winners (2002-04)

2001-02

Dejan Bodiroga





2002-03

Mirsad Türkcan




2003-04

Arvydas Sabonis




After the 04 season, they changed the format of the award:

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The Euroleague MVP in its current form was awarded for the first time during the Euroleague 2004-05 season. It replaced both the original Euroleague Regular Season MVP and Euroleague Top 16 MVP awards.
Euroleague MVP award winners (2005-present)



2004-05

Anthony Parker




2005-06

Anthony Parker (2)




2006-07

Theo Papaloukas





2007-08

Ramūnas Šiškauskas




2008-09

Juan Carlos Navarro



2009-10

Miloš Teodosić




2010-11

Dimitris Diamantidis


Panathinaikos Athens



Still no Shitnoulis!? Wtf!?
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroleague_MVP
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:50 PM   #18
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http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...m?clubcode=PAN

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Old 09-01-2011, 03:51 PM   #19
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Default Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

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The expectations in the team had now risen a lot, as it was imperative for Panathinaikos to obtain a significant title. In the summer of 1995, they acquired Dominique Wilkins, one of the top American players playing in Europe. The coach of the team was Božidar Maljković. The former along with Giannakis, Vranković, Alvertis and Patavoukas comprised a very experienced team, which, in 1996, managed an unprecedented success for Greek basketball. Indeed, in April 1996, at the Paris Final Four, Panathinaikos became the first Greek team to lift the European Championships (now called the Euroleague), beating FC Barcelona in a unique tournament final, by a score of 67–66. Back in Greece, right after the big win in Paris, the exit of Dominique Wilkins in the league final led to the loss of a championship from Olympiakos with 35 points difference.

So, you are lying again. They lost to Olympiakos AFTER 'Nique left. They won Euroleague (first Greek team ever to do so) with him there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathi...5.E2.80.931996

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Unhappy with his role on a rebuilding Celtics team, Wilkins signed to play for Panathinaikos of the Greek League. He averaged 20.9 points and 7.0 rebounds for Panathinaikos and led the team to the Euroleague title in 1996 alongside teammates Fragiskos Alvertis, Stojan Vranković and Panagiotis Giannakis. During the Final Four that was held in Paris he had 35 points and 8 rebounds in the semifinal against CSKA and a double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds against Barcelona in the final. His performances earned him the Final Four MVP award. He also won the Greek Cup with Panathinaikos and was named the MVP of the Final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Wilkins


Edit: You changed your post from "Dominique didn't win" to "The refs cheated" as you usually do when you run out of arguments.

It's pointless talking to you.

Hey dumb ass. You better provide proof that the refs did not rig the Euroelague final and proof that Wilkins did not play the 4 games of the Greek League final.

You better provide proof.
Not some lies from Wikipedia.

Because I am done with being called a liar by dishonest people like you. Making the whole forum think I am a troll and a liar. You just lied about everything and made it all up. Everything you posted is a lie.

So, you better provide proof it being true real quick. Otherwise we are going to have the site owner decide on what to do about it. No more am I going to accept people lying here and then saying I am the liar when they get called on it.

The true facts can be given to Jeff and then he can decide on what to do with you since you so brazenly presented lies as truth here and then dared to claim I lied about it, when I posted the truth only.

I'm not playing these games with losers like you anymore.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:53 PM   #20
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Default Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

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Hey dumb ass. You better provide proof that the refs did not rig the Euroelague final and proof that Wilkins did not play the 4 games of the Greek League final.
You better provide proof that the refs DID rig the Euroleague final.

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You better provide proof.
Not some lies from Wikipedia.

Because I am done with being called a liar by dishonest people like you. Making the whole forum think I am a troll and a liar. You just lied about everything and made it all up. Everything you posted is a lie.

So, you better provide proof it being true real quick. Otherwise we are going to have the site owner decide on what to do about it. No more am I going to accept people lying here and then saying I am the liar when they get called on it.

The true facts can be given to Jeff and then he can decide on what to do with you since you so brazenly presented lies as truth here and then dared to claim I lied about it, when I posted the truth only.

I'm not playing these games with losers like you anymore.
You are a liar until you post a link with supporting facts about the things you post.

I don't care if it's in Greek, that's what Google Translate is for.
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Default Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player

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Show me proof I'm wrong, and I'll stop.

As for Sabonis, here's proof he was the MVP of the Euroleague:

Euroleague Regular Season MVP award winners (2001-04):

FIBA SuproLeague 2000-01*


Nate Huffman





ULEB Euroleague 2000-01*


Dejan Tomašević






2001-02


Mirsad Türkcan





2002-03


Joseph Blair





2003-04


Arvydas Sabonis


Euroleague Top 16 MVP award winners (2002-04)

2001-02

Dejan Bodiroga





2002-03

Mirsad Türkcan




2003-04

Arvydas Sabonis




After the 04 season, they changed the format of the award:


Euroleague MVP award winners (2005-present)



2004-05

Anthony Parker




2005-06

Anthony Parker (2)




2006-07

Theo Papaloukas





2007-08

Ramūnas Šiškauskas




2008-09

Juan Carlos Navarro



2009-10

Miloš Teodosić




2010-11

Dimitris Diamantidis


Panathinaikos Athens



Still no Shitnoulis!? Wtf!?
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroleague_MVP

What the hell is wrong with you? The Euroleague MVP award did not exist until 2005. Sabonis was never Euroleague MVP moron. And you just posted a link that even confirms that idiot.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:56 PM   #22
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damn, parker had 2 MVP's ?
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What the hell is wrong with you? The Euroleague MVP award did not exist until 2005. Sabonis was never Euroleague MVP moron. And you just posted a link that even confirms that idiot.
It was called the Euroleague Regular Season MVP.

Did you not visit the link provided? It explains it all there.

The award did exist. It was just called something different and they had a separate one for the Euroleague Top 16 MVP. They consolidated them into one award after 2004.

Really man, do you know so little?
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:58 PM   #24
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...leagues_Top_16!

Whether or not its the same award since 2005 the point stands, he was finished in the NBA and went back to Europe and played very well. But he is much more suited to euro ball.
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I will repeat it one last time and then I will let the site owner deal with it. He can decide what he wants to do with the endless level of lies that have taken over this forum and how anyone calling them out gets attacked.

Wilkins' team won the Euroleague final in 1996. In a game that was rigged by the refs. Google Barcelona Panathinaikos Euroleague 1996 shot clock violation Stanko Vrankovic. Wilkins I believe was MVP of final four of Euroleague....again one that was rigged by the refs for his team to win.

Wilkins won the Greek Cup and was the MVP of it.

Wilkins lost the Greek Championship (the Greek League) Finals by 3-2 in a 5 game series. He played the first several games of the series.

His team, Panathinaikos lost to Olympiacos. The MVP of the Greek League was Gerogios Sigalas.

Now, if people continue to dispute these facts here, then they will have to explain it to the site owner. Because I have had enough of people making up lies here, and then those same people calling me a liar and having others in the forum believe it, and then continue to think I am a liar, when it is the other people that are lying.

I have had it.

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Spanoulis lol. Thought he was T-Mac.
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It was called the Euroleague Regular Season MVP.

Did you not visit the link provided? It explains it all there.

The award did exist. It was just called something different and they had a separate one for the Euroleague Top 16 MVP. They consolidated them into one award after 2004.

Really man, do you know so little?

You are either an incredible level troll or a true drooling retard. Sabonis was not Euroleague MVP. Yet you claimed he was. You lied.

That award did not exist until 2005.

Sabonis was MVP of a MONTH OF THE SEASON.

The Euroleague realized that idiots like you in USA were thinking those awards were season MVPs and so they cancelled them and eliminated them.

The rules of the season MVP award. THE RULES to even qualify to even be eligible to the award - those rules the freaking rules to even be a candidate. Sabonis did not meet even a single one of them.

He would not even be a candidate for the award under the rules.
And yet you continue to lie and falsely claim he was "Euroleague MVP". You then post a Wikipedia link that confirms what I am telling you, and yet claim it is backing the lies you say.

This shit is not funny anymore. Stop it now.

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I'm open minded.
96 was quite a debacle:

http://forums.interbasket.net/f11/wh...996-9337/#post
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...leagues_Top_16!

Whether or not its the same award since 2005 the point stands, he was finished in the NBA and went back to Europe and played very well. But he is much more suited to euro ball.

It was NOT a Euroleague MVP award. There was no Euroleague MVP award until 2005.

Sabonis won an equivalent of a monthly MVP award.

And in fact, he did not even qualify to be a candidate under the MVP rules of the league.

So it is a pure lie for Droid101 to keep claiming he was "MVP of the Euroleague" when he actually was not.

It's like saying an NBA player of the month was "the NBA MVP". It's a lie and the guy just keeps saying it over and over.
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Bull shit lies again from Americans in Wikipedia.

He played 4 out of the 5 games in the Greek Finals. Once again, you use lies from Wikipedia, probably posted by you yourself to distort the truth here.
Truly pathetic.
Is it a lie that Spanoulis only shot 17% from behind the arc in the NBA and averaged as many turnovers as he did assists?
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