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Old 05-16-2011, 07:34 PM   #31
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Default Re: The Truth : The Reason The Lakers Lost.

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And Dirk is battling a knee issue. Dirk just plays through injuries so well because of his timeless game.

But yea, Kobe was terrible on the defensive end, average on offense, and awful in crunch time.

Just couldn't get it done. Not sure why you blame anybody else all the time. The Lakers were in position to win all of the first three games.....and then Kobe went invisible in crunch time and bricked another game winner.

While Dirk played great late and so did the Mavs. A running theme of our debates this year. Kobe vs Dirk in close games........guess those stats weren't that far off.


4th quarter of Game 1

6:00 85-88 Kobe Bryant makes 21-foot jumper (Pau Gasol assists)
3:32 87-92 Kobe Bryant makes 17-foot jumper
1:00 91-94 Kobe Bryant makes 11-foot two point shot

34 points on 13/26 shooting
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:35 PM   #32
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Default Re: The Truth : The Reason The Lakers Lost.

The Truth....


This team ran out of a steam and just had to many miles on them.
People are hoping this team is done and they could be but I think the same core players can still make a run next healthy and motivated.
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:38 PM   #33
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4th quarter of Game 1

6:00 85-88 Kobe Bryant makes 21-foot jumper (Pau Gasol assists)
3:32 87-92 Kobe Bryant makes 17-foot jumper
1:00 91-94 Kobe Bryant makes 11-foot two point shot

34 points on 13/26 shooting

Two crucial turnovers and the bricked game winner?

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Old 05-16-2011, 07:44 PM   #34
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It's Phil, Fisher, and Kobe. Not just Kobe.

LA -can- win again with Kobe, but Kobe needs to take on a reduced role and needs to actually start playing defense again. He isn't the same player. LA also needs a new PG, and they are already addressing the coaching problem. So now it's just the garbage backcourt defense that needs to be fixed now.
Post wasn't intended for you lol.

Not sure about the whole phil thing maybe he could of done more when the team was clearly out of wack mentally ( not playing disciplined, losing games they should have won etc. )

Fisher has been a liabilty for a while now actually Laker fans including myself have been saying we needed a PG for a while now and that it was past due for fish to be benched ( or at least have the bulk of his minutes taken )

The lakers also shot TERRIBLY from long range during that series. Nobody expected Gasol to play like absolute crap for know apparent reason. The Mavs really only had to clog the paint to stop them from scoring. Inability to grab offensive rebounds was also a factor. Don't even get me started on bench production lol. The more I think about it the more I can keep going.

Kobe is old and cannot guard the perimeter like he once did. Honestly his defense has been down since 09 and at his current age plus his ankle injury (which he tried to down play but was obvious from his lack of normal movement ) anybody can get by him But unlike fisher he is going to produce on the other side of the court which makes it bearable.

And like the poster above me stated they (Lakers) might have just burned out after 3 final appearances Kobe and fisher are the only two who knew how their bodies would feel going on a final attempt for the 4th time but then again who knows. Next season is what Laker fans have to look forward too I'm positive the main issues will be addressed.

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Old 05-16-2011, 07:52 PM   #35
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Default Re: The Truth : The Reason The Lakers Lost.

If anything signals a shift in direction for this Lakers squad, it should be the retirement of Phil Jackson. The posts related to Kobe taking on something of a reduced role are legitimate, but sometimes Kobe simply being Kobe is what is necessary for the Lakers to win games. With that said, I'm not sure scaling back his role is necessary quite yet. Taking over and scoring 15+ in a matter of minutes, because the rest of the team has mentally checked out, has been LA's savior on more than a few occasions. As he starts to get older I'm not certain that switch Kobe has for heating up in the crunch is going to be so easy to flip on and off anymore. If you shorten his minutes, or give him any indication that he is not the go-to guy anymore, he might lose confidence, become stubborn, or likely falter at the end of games.

The fate of this Lakers team rests squarely on the shoulders of the front office now. Who they pick to fill Jackson's shoes and lead this team into a new era is of utmost importance before any other type of personnel decision factors in. What system that coach decides to implement will make or break this teams chances to win instead of simply 'contend'.

The pieces they have, outside of maybe Fisher, are still more than capable of winning next season and definitely could have grabbed another ring this year. Even another off-season and training camp with guys like Barnes and Blake could familiarize them better with their roles on this team. It wasn't always a lack of effort that proved detrimental to LA, as much as it was simply the changing landscape of the western conference being too much to take on, after so many hard fought series', extensive championship runs, and off-season activities (Olympics) in such a short period of time. Even the best of the best have to run out of gas sometimes.

Everyone, even basketball fans like me who despise the Lakers, know this team won't be mired in irrelevance anytime soon. They'll do everything they can to remain a significant threat in the west every season.

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Old 05-16-2011, 07:52 PM   #36
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Default Re: The Truth : The Reason The Lakers Lost.

Real reason is Kobe is washed-up. You can't overcome age, Kobe. Not even the greatest of them all (Jordan) was able to beat age.
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:40 PM   #37
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Concerned Kobe: 'This team can beat us.

They might of lost anyways, but Kobe really freaked out his team by these words and perhaps even boost Dallas confident a little bit more. After they lost game two they were done. If their team captain was concerned after game 1, there was nothing he can say to his team to helped them regain their confidence back. Nothing they would believe.

Kobe doesn't have enough to carry his team anymore he needs another major superstar like D. Howard. One would think that Lamar Odom and Andruw Bynum would be good enough, but it wasn't
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:46 PM   #38
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Two crucial turnovers and the bricked game winner?


lol at bricked the game winner, it wasnt lebronesque
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:53 PM   #39
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Default Re: The Truth : The Reason The Lakers Lost.

maybe the lakers lost because they got fking raped and destroyed by the better team

or nvm.. they choked 16 pt lead and kobe missed a game winner in gm 1 because of locker room issues, got owned in game 2 because of locker room issues, choked an 8 pt lead with 4 mins in gm 3 because of locker room issues, and got smashed and quit in game 4 because of locker room issues. right?
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:42 AM   #40
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isn't it in fish's contract to start until his contract expires? could be just rumors but if it isn't...
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:43 AM   #41
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4th quarter of Game 1

6:00 85-88 Kobe Bryant makes 21-foot jumper (Pau Gasol assists)
3:32 87-92 Kobe Bryant makes 17-foot jumper
1:00 91-94 Kobe Bryant makes 11-foot two point shot

34 points on 13/26 shooting

we should ignore the horrid turnover, tripping on his own feet, and the bricked game winner?

what?
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Old 05-17-2011, 11:04 AM   #42
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Overall Kobe was ok. Not terrible, but not great either. However, he was invisible in crunch time in the first 3 games. He didn't do anything and his team lost 3 winnable games because of how they performed in crunch time.

And I keep hearing about the Lakers perimeter defense letting them down. Who is a huge part of that defense? Kobe.

Go back and look at the series. Kobe did nothing defensively. He was late on rotations and his close outs were awful.

Kobe was not the biggest problem, but he was definitely a problem.

Kobe Bryant avg 4 ppg in the fourth quarter of this series
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Old 05-17-2011, 11:11 AM   #43
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lets not act like he didnt have an injured ankle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9voO0-HNI
then reagrivating it twice



Colby O'Brian: Kobe's ankle was injured

Message Board: Laughing, can't believe he went to the injury excuse

Colby O'Brian: I'm serious he was hurt, that is why he performed the way he did

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Kobe Bryant avg 4 ppg in the fourth quarter of this series

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LOL

Here is his complete totals...I left out turnovers

Kobe "The Kloser" Bryant....4th quarter performances in series

6 for 18= 17 total points...... 33.3 FG%/1 Rebound/ 1 Assist

4.25 PPG in the 4th quarter
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