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Old 11-19-2012, 02:37 AM   #2326
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As for lhw vs ww, exciting isn't the same thing as better.

Ill take jones/Hendo/machida/rua/rashad over the top 5 in any other weight class and then you have the up and comers in Davis, glover and gustaffson plus solid old guys in lil nog/Forrest/page among others. That's a great 11 people and you still have guys like bader lurking on the fringe. Jones being an animal doesn't diminish that division
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:14 AM   #2327
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Look, i have been watching this "sport" probably earlier than anybody here (and am a longtime martial artist myself, TKD 1st dan, muay thai and a bit of bjj, if that means anything) and i can tell you right now that GSP is the most perfect & well rounded MMA "fighter" ive seen in my life and this i have been saying since the first time i saw him in 2002 (due to potential)... he has absolutely unmatched wrestling (like literally nobody ive seen before in MMA) and his striking can only be matched by Anderson Silva, which brings me to my point.... Anderson Silva will NEVER win against GSP if they decide to fight, i beg you please dont believe otherwise.... he will have as much of a chance against GSP as any of the best strikers GSP ever had to face.... he will fall to the same fate & outcome all of GSPs opponents did, which is GSPs bizarre wrestling....

You see, wrestling is and always will be the best & most important facit of MMA (or in any general no-rule-brawl bar bareknuckle man to man fighting outside your house with a stranger).... Being a superiour wrestler means that YOU control where the fight is gona go... now combine that with the absolute best striking, brazilian jiu jitsu, work ethic, will, heart, IQ and you get GSP............... The way Anderson Silva has mastered striking is the way GSP has mastered everything else (including striking)....

In fights, GSP will attack you anywhere 24-7... he is not afraid of anything... however Anderson Silva is afraid of going to the ground, he avoids going to the ground because not just because his wrestling is his weakness but because he is afraid of even being on top and counteracting submission attacks (its a gamble he doesnt like to take and he is much more dominant standing anyways)...

Anderson Silva is the best striker in UFC (so is GSP) and that is basically the only thing that is keeping him dominant in his very low competitive weightclass (which is very overwhelming against any of his those opponents in his weightclass), but he has HORRIBLE wrestling... the only wrestler he ever faced was Chael Sonnen and he was ragdolling Silva like he was a 8 year old girl, almost winning if it wasnt for that lucky triangle he pulled at the last second... now... imagine Sonnen with even better wrestling and equal striking to Silva and even better BJJ... that is GSP...

Silva later improved his takedown defense strategy in his last fight against Sonnen, but that wont work against GSP that well..... neither will Silvas striking work against GSP the way he wants it........ neither will anything else.......

GSP is the best fighter in MMA today... and the best / most complete ever...

Anderson Silva is great and is probably the most entertaining guy to watch for majority of fans due to his striking & striking only & flashiness, but he is overrated when he is called better than GSP........ hell, i think even Jon Jones is probably better fighter than Anderson Silva, for the same exact reasons GSP is better than Anderson Silva... dont get fooled by Anderson Silvas flashiness... he wouldnt touch that championship belt if he had to face something like GSP or yes probably even Jon Jones...

The **** is this nonsense?
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:31 AM   #2328
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As for lhw vs ww, exciting isn't the same thing as better.

Ill take jones/Hendo/machida/rua/rashad over the top 5 in any other weight class and then you have the up and comers in Davis, glover and gustaffson plus solid old guys in lil nog/Forrest/page among others. That's a great 11 people and you still have guys like bader lurking on the fringe. Jones being an animal doesn't diminish that division

LW and WW are better. Better top 10s and more depth.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:26 AM   #2329
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LW and WW are better. Better top 10s and more depth.
I don't agree(and I don't think depth after the top ten matters much) I really think the only lhw is being considered less impressive right now is because of how good jones is...
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:37 PM   #2330
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Firas Zahabi: GSP will fight Anderson at 170.

GSP's head trainer.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/2012/11/...nderson_silva/
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:28 PM   #2331
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Firas Zahabi: GSP will fight Anderson at 170.

GSP's head trainer.


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Old 11-20-2012, 10:35 PM   #2332
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Anderson used to fight at welterweight, but I'm not sure he can make 170 now. He's bigger now then when he was a welterweight.

They would be better off fighting at at 175 or 180 catch weight. That way whoever loses doesn't seem to effect their stands in their respective divisions.

Either way it happens, I highly doubt Anderson is willing to move down.

Both guys won't come to an agreement to move up or down and invade each others divisions. That's why I see them fighting at a catch weight if they ever set up this fight which I hope and think they will set up.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:19 AM   #2333
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If Anderson can healthily make 170 id love that so people would stop with the bs he's a giant mw stuff
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:55 PM   #2334
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Tyrone Woodley vs. Robbie Lawler at the final Strikeforce event in January.

Gegard Mousasi is signing with the UFC if everything goes through as expected.

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Old 11-21-2012, 10:46 PM   #2335
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:10 PM   #2336
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:00 PM   #2338
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GSP has been winning all of his recent fights by decision (three years five fights). The second he gets somebody on his level he's not going to last. He's like Sonnen, except a lot weaker, with no finishing power you aren't going to keep winning against other great talent. He's been a lot stronger than his opponents and unlike other guys, who are eager to prove they are great, GSP knows his limitation and never goes up in weight where he knows he looses that advantage. Silva is like GSP in that he's bigger and stronger than guys in his weight division. Silva beat a great wrestler in Dan Henderson - who beat the heavyweight legend Fedor.

GSP doesn't have the same chin as Silva. GSP has also been surprised by strikes as well. GSP's lack of finishing power also sets him up to hit by a strike, as going 5 rounds with Silva is rare.
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Ok, I'm sorry, but there's so much wrong here. Lemme break it down part by part.

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GSP has been winning all of his recent fights by decision (three years five fights).
Decision or not, he's clearly dominated all of his opponents.

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The second he gets somebody on his level he's not going to last.
No one at welterweight is at his level unfortunately.

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He's like Sonnen, except a lot weaker, with no finishing power you aren't going to keep winning against other great talent.
This is wrong on so many levels. Chael's ground & pound is weak, GSP's isn't.

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He's been a lot stronger than his opponents and unlike other guys, who are eager to prove they are great, GSP knows his limitation and never goes up in weight where he knows he looses that advantage.
It's not his problem he's stronger than his opponents.

There's no need for him to move up in weight class when there's guys he can still fight in his own weight class.

If he has an advantage in a division he's dominating in, then it'd be dumb for him to leave the division he's got an advantage in.

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Silva is like GSP in that he's bigger and stronger than guys in his weight division.
No, they're the same size of the fighters in their division. They're dominant fighters who've dominated all of their opponents and that's why they look bigger than their opponents.

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Silva beat a great wrestler in Dan Henderson - who beat the heavyweight legend Fedor.
This has nothing to do with your original argument.

But to add to this, Hendo's a legend too and Fedor was on a losing streak already and past his prime which was in his PRIDE days.

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GSP doesn't have the same chin as Silva.
Silva got dropped by Chael Sonenn who probably has the softest strikes in MMA.

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GSP has also been surprised by strikes as well.
Silva was surprised from strikes from Chael Sonnen.

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GSP's lack of finishing power also sets him up to hit by a strike, as going 5 rounds with Silva is rare.
GSP has some of the best wrestling MMA, something which Silva has struggled in the past against like against Hendo where he lost the first round before Hendo got goofy and got himself in a dangerous position where Silva then proceeded to rear naked choke him.

Although I will say that Silva has improved his wrestling and TDD as proven in the second Chael fight where Chael struggled to take him down.

I'm not saying GSP would beat Silva, but it's possible and people who don't think it is are either blind Silva fans or are really overlooking GSP and could be in for a surprise if the fight was ever put together as it's expected to.
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