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Old 03-18-2011, 02:25 AM   #16
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Only Kobe fans would state the opposite of what Kobe himself has stated

and just at last statement

the real finals wasnt LA vs pacers/sixers/nets

anyone who watched ball in the early 00's knew the real finals was the WCF and against teams like sanantonio and sacramento

kobe was the mvp of those REAL finals
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:25 AM   #17
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Pretty much. The Lakers were able to beat prime Duncan and the Spurs who had even better defense than Detroit that year.

no, the pistons were better by far defensivly
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:27 AM   #18
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pretty sure if the lakers stuck together, they could have won at least another between '05-'07

yeah, that was kobes best prime years 06-08, but im glad on whats happining right now
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no, the pistons were better by far defensivly

Spurs had a better team defense rating than Detroit. But, I guess Detroit had the better defenders to contain Kobe.
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pretty sure if the lakers stuck together, they could have won at least another between '05-'07

impossible

malone and payton were finished

shaq was asking for 30mill/season

they would have been 10 mill over the cap with just 2 players.

and people forget that shaq weighd 350 pounds before getting in shape for miami...

he would have still been his same old fat POS self with no motivation from 05 - 07
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Default Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?

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Spurs had a better team defense rating than Detroit. But, I guess Detroit had the better defenders to contain Kobe.

i dont care about no rating, if you watched the game you would know, numbers dont tell the whole story
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:33 AM   #22
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i dont care about no rating, if you watched the game you would know, numbers dont tell the whole story


they were the best defensive team that year for sure

but put the last 2 lakers championship teams against the 2004 pistons... and see if theyre still able to double kobe the way they did

it was 2 on 5 for that series

the 2004 lakers were a 2 man team... 5 > any 2 any time


i thank malone and payton for losing that series
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:34 AM   #23
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biggest finals upset

biggest playoff upset was warriors over mavs 1st round

and btw its funny how kobes the leader whenever the lakers lost in the last 15 years. but never the leader when the lakers won

fact is kobe was the 1st option from 2001 on

look at the FGA's... shaq was the #1 option only from 1996-2000

finals mvps are only for 1 series. kobe was mvp for the important series


"Coach Phil Jackson is continually reminding Bryant that Shaquille O'Neal is the team's top scoring option."- December 11th, 2000 Detroit News

"Shaq's our first option anyway, regardless," Jackson said. "We're going to try to get the ball into Shaquille."- Phil Jackson May 1st, 2004 Los Angeles Times

I think the coach knew who the first option was. And Shaq was the leading scorer on the Lakers during the 3peat every year during the regular season, playoffs as a whole and finals.

Kobe was the MVP of the important series? He was MVP of 2 series during the 3peat, the 2001 WCF and the 2002 WCSF.

In 2001, the closest, most competitive series was the finals, guess who was MVP? In 2002, it was the WCF vs Sacramento and again, Shaq was the MVP of that series.

The Lakers went 25-6 with Shaq and without Kobe during the 3peat, but just 13-12 with Kobe and without Shaq.
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:38 AM   #24
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Default Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?

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no, the pistons were better by far defensivly

No. That wasn't the case. The Spurs had an almost defense rating and kept teams to a lower ppg than the Pistons, 84.3 ppg.They were equal defensively in the season.

But Pistons had better stretches of defense, but the Spurs were more consistently throughout the season. However, it was an upset that the Pistons made to the finals at all, let alone beat the Lakers. Pistons get the nod of being one of the best defensively because they went to the finals and beat the Lakers.

The Pistons upset the Lakers. Everybody picked the Lakers to win, but the Pistons D, the Lakers sucky O, and Malone being injured hurt the Lakers. And they eventually lost the series.

You can argue that the Lakers got lucky in the Spurs series too. If it weren't for the .4 Fisher shot, the Spurs would've been up by 3-2.

But to the main topic:

I think it was the biggest upset of the NBA finals. The Lakers after beating the Timberwolves, just shrugged off the Pistons. I don't think they even cared about watching the videos. Even the commentators were like "Pistons have no chance of beating the Lakers."
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kobe did have a bad series, 22.6 ppg on 38.1 fg%

but he was the reason they they didnt get swept and won game 2

but he was the reason they lost the series
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Default Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?

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they were the best defensive team that year for sure

but put the last 2 lakers championship teams against the 2004 pistons... and see if theyre still able to double kobe the way they did

it was 2 on 5 for that series

the 2004 lakers were a 2 man team... 5 > any 2 any time


i thank malone and payton for losing that series

so it goes from kobe being the mvp of "important series" to his team having to carry him when he fails in more important series

also 04 was the only finals where kobe had more FGA than shaq and look at the outcome

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Old 03-18-2011, 02:45 AM   #27
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"Coach Phil Jackson is continually reminding Bryant that Shaquille O'Neal is the team's top scoring option."- December 11th, 2000 Detroit News

"Shaq's our first option anyway, regardless," Jackson said. "We're going to try to get the ball into Shaquille."- Phil Jackson May 1st, 2004 Los Angeles Times

I think the coach knew who the first option was. And Shaq was the leading scorer on the Lakers during the 3peat every year during the regular season, playoffs as a whole and finals.

Kobe was the MVP of the important series? He was MVP of 2 series during the 3peat, the 2001 WCF and the 2002 WCSF.

In 2001, the closest, most competitive series was the finals, guess who was MVP? In 2002, it was the WCF vs Sacramento and again, Shaq was the MVP of that series.

The Lakers went 25-6 with Shaq and without Kobe during the 3peat, but just 13-12 with Kobe and without Shaq.


Lakers leader in FGA's ( AKA #1 OPTION ) from 1996-97 to 2003-04



1996-97 Shaquille O'neal 19.4 FGA's
1997-98 Shaquille O'neal 19.1
1998-99 Shaquille O'neal 18.1
1999-00 Shaquille O'neal 21.1 ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2000-01 Kobe Bryant 22.2 FGA's ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2001-02 Kobe Bryant 20.0 FGA's ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2002-03 Kobe Bryant 23.5 FGA's
2003-04 Kobe Bryant 18.1 FGA's ( NBA FINALS )



sure shaq was the more efficient player. but he wasnt the 1st option


and in a way .... when kobe was the main go to guy. the lakers had more success...
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A lot of people thought the Lakers would sweep the Pistons. It's crazy that the Lakers were a miracle shot away from being swept themselves.
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but he was the reason they lost the series

yeah he shot poorly

but ben wallace dominated the glass, shaq got outrebounded
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yeah he shot poorly

but ben wallace dominated the glass, shaq got outrebounded

shaq shot 60% in that series, he was owning ben wallace
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