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Old 03-18-2011, 10:30 AM   #31
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But if you shot down Rose with Wade, he cannot go to the line as easy as he does because he will be tired.

Obviously you haven't seen a healthy D-Wade in the playoffs as he could do both.

When put on Kobe the other night in the 2nd quarter, he shut down Kobe the rest of the way as Kobe went 4/17 for the rest of game and couldn't get any room to move. And Wade had plenty of energy to take over the 4th quarter offensively with great drives through their defense. This after blowing by Kobe repeatedly getting into the paint to give his teammates better chances to score, and after making Kobe foul him because he just couldn't keep up with Wade in the 3rd..

Wade had a ton of jump to his step at the end of that game. And he always makes Kobe look ridiculous.

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Wade is at another dimension in the playoffs that Rose has never seen or wants to experience. Because he will be exposed by the much better all around player. And shut down.


ISOLATION
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 130 0.71 PTS 28.3 FG% 9.2 TO%
T. Sefolosha 248 0.79 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.3 TO%
G. Hill 193 0.83 PTS 41.1 FG% 8.8 TO%
R. Artest 186 0.66 PTS 29.6 FG% 12.4 TO%
L. James 146 0.60 PTS 30.8 FG% 17.8 TO%
K. Bryant 161 0.75 PTS 33.6 FG% 11.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 160 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 9.4 TO%
B. Rush 160 0.83 PTS 39.3 FG% 13.1 TO%
A. Afflalo 155 0.89 PTS 36.2 FG% 11.6 TO%
S. Battier 151 0.82 PTS 36.2 FG% 6.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 139 0.78 PTS 38.2 FG% 13.7 TO%

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Old 03-18-2011, 10:45 AM   #32
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If the Heat are smart, they'd rest their top 3 giving them limited minutes (about 25 to 30) from here on out. They should do as the Celtics do by resting their stars as they're doing this year, and as they did last year.

The Heat would be better off at the 4th seed anyway because the Heat match up a lot better against the Bulls. Rose is 45% of their offense and the Heat have the player who can shut him down. When they played Wade on Rose in spots (about 10% of the time), they shut the bulls offense down and gained nice leads on them.

Shut down Rose and you shut down the Bulls because they have no one else who can handle the ball and create. And they simply do not have good and reliable offensive options on that team. Period.

The Bulls can easily be shut down with good game planning when teams prepare for them in a series (as the Cavs teams were easy to prepare for when the playoffs rolled around). And the Heat have the one player who can do it better than anybody.

ISOLATION
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 130 0.71 PTS 28.3 FG% 9.2 TO%
T. Sefolosha 248 0.79 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.3 TO%
G. Hill 193 0.83 PTS 41.1 FG% 8.8 TO%
R. Artest 186 0.66 PTS 29.6 FG% 12.4 TO%
L. James 146 0.60 PTS 30.8 FG% 17.8 TO%
K. Bryant 161 0.75 PTS 33.6 FG% 11.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 160 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 9.4 TO%
B. Rush 160 0.83 PTS 39.3 FG% 13.1 TO%
A. Afflalo 155 0.89 PTS 36.2 FG% 11.6 TO%
S. Battier 151 0.82 PTS 36.2 FG% 6.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 139 0.78 PTS 38.2 FG% 13.7 TO%
Its becomming increasingly more aparent that your either not very bright, or just infauated with the bulls. You'd be willingg to give up homecourt starting from the semis just to face the bulls? I thinkk you'd call the season a success as long as miami can beat the bulls.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:46 AM   #33
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I almost want Chicago to finish 2nd because that would all but guarantee a Bulls/Heat second round matchup.
I'd rather that we finish first and hope like hell that the Heat take out the C's. I can't see us getting past Boston this year, Heat are a much better matchup for us.
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You'd be willingg to give up homecourt starting from the semis just to face the bulls? I thinkk you'd call the season a success as long as miami can beat the bulls.

No it would just be an easier road to face the celtics in the 3rd round when their older legs are more worn out after disposing the bulls in the 2nd round.

It's actually a brilliant way to go about it looking at the big picture.

The Bulls have flaws that will be exposed in the playoffs. like other teams who overachieved and had great regular season records like the magic, cavs, suns, dallas etc.

The Bulls cannot beat a Heat or Celtics team in a 7 game playoff series.

It's easy to stop a team that only has one player who can handle the ball and create, and a team that really lacks good and reliable offensive options (just like the cavs were easy to gameplan against as they had one guy on offense with crappy 2nd and 3rd options but a great defense). The Bulls are the worst offense in the league for ppp when all teams take out their #1 option. Teams who clearly have their PG as a far away #1 option do not win titles.
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I'd rather that we finish first and hope like hell that the Heat take out the C's. I can't see us getting past Boston this year, Heat are a much better matchup for us.
Ditto. Us with home court against the Heat is pretty much a guaranteed Finals, but just getting to the ECF in my eyes is a huuuuge win.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:58 AM   #36
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No it would just be an easier road to face the celtics in the 3rd round when their older legs are more worn out after disposing the bulls in the 2nd round.

It's actually a brilliant way to go about it looking at the big picture.

The Bulls have flaws that will be exposed in the playoffs. like other teams who overachieved and had great regular season records like the magic, cavs, suns, dallas etc.

The Bulls cannot beat a Heat or Celtics team in a 7 game playoff series.

It's easy to stop a team that only has one player who can handle the ball and create, and a team that really lacks good and reliable offensive options (just like the cavs were easy to gameplan against as they had one guy on offense with crappy 2nd and 3rd options but a great defense). The Bulls are the worst offense in the league for ppp when all teams take out their #1 option. Teams who clearly have their PG as a far away #1 option do not win titles.

Yeah I know you've mentioned the worst in the league when their pg yada yada yada.

Forget the fact that their second best scorer has missed about 20 games.
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The same strategy they've used to sweep the Heat this season. Miami don't stand a chance.
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And their 2nd best scorer is an excellent matchup for us because Boozer has always had great difficulty against athletic PF's who have length.

The Heat matchup very well against the Bulls in a playoff series.
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The same strategy they've used to sweep the Heat this season. Miami don't stand a chance.

Again, the Heat matchup very well against the bulls in a playoff series. It's very common to see teams with a losing regular season record against a team just to trounce them in the playoffs. Regular season basketball is not playoff basketball.

In 06 the Heat were 2-8 against their playoff opponents during the regular season. 1-3 vs the nets and pistons and 0-2 against the Mavs.

In the playoffs the Heat beat all of them in 6 games or less.

Regular season results mean jack squat when the playoff bell rings. The Heat matchup very well against the bulls in a 7-game playoff series.
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And their 2nd best scorer is an excellent matchup for us because Boozer has always had great difficulty against athletic PF's who have length.

The Heat matchup very well against the Bulls in a playoff series.
Lol bosh? You banking your reasoning on bosh now? Wow
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When put on Kobe the other night in the 2nd quarter, he shut down Kobe the rest of the way as Kobe went 4/17 for the rest of game and couldn't get any room to move. And Wade had plenty of energy to take over the 4th quarter offensively with great drives through their defense. This after blowing by Kobe repeatedly getting into the paint to give his teammates better chances to score, and after making Kobe foul him because he just couldn't keep up with Wade in the 3rd..

So who guarded Kobe in the first quarter? Wasn't it also Wade? Don't change the facts to fit your agenda.

Anyway, Rose and Kobe are two different players, the latter being the better player, but Rose would do better against Wade than Kobe did in that game. Heck, Kobe would, too, if the Heat could make it to the finals.

Rose is quicker and faster than Wade, and has crazy handles. Wade cannot guard him.

They tried to put him on Rose in crunch time the last time they met, and Rose crossed him over pretty easily.
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Again, the Heat matchup very well against the bulls in a playoff series. It's very common to see teams with a losing regular season record against a team just to trounce them in the playoffs. Regular season basketball is not playoff basketball.

In 06 the Heat were 2-8 against their playoff opponents during the regular season. 1-3 vs the nets and pistons and 0-2 against the Mavs.

In the playoffs the Heat beat all of them in 6 games or less.

Regular season results mean jack squat when the playoff bell rings. The Heat matchup very well against the bulls in a 7-game playoff series.
So what? So do the Bulls.

The Bulls have the best second unit in the league going up against the Heat's league worst second unit.

They have the best/most physically gifted PG in the league going up against Mike Bibby.

The best rebounding frontcourt in the league going up against Miami's soft and sissy girl frontcourt.

Sure the Heat have advantages with Boozer guarding Bosh and whoever on Wade/LeBron, but in a halfcourt setting only one guy can have the ball fool.
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The Heat lost to the Bulls three times this year.


The better question is, "what is the HEAT'S strategy to beat the Bulls?
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The Heat lost to the Bulls three times this year.


The better question is, "what is the HEAT'S strategy to beat the Bulls?

keep thinking that. heat fans are praying they get bulls instead of boston. bulls would be lucky to get 2 games in a series with the heat. keep thinking that their current record over them means anything. 2006 heat proved exactly why it didnt matter.

just from watching the games you can tell which teams pose threats to miami, and chicago isnt one of them. they are far from convincing in their play against miami.
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So what? So do the Bulls.

The Bulls have the best second unit in the league going up against the Heat's league worst second unit.

They have the best/most physically gifted PG in the league going up against Mike Bibby.

The best rebounding frontcourt in the league going up against Miami's soft and sissy girl frontcourt.

Sure the Heat have advantages with Boozer guarding Bosh and whoever on Wade/LeBron, but in a halfcourt setting only one guy can have the ball fool.
I don't even think bosh is an advantage for the heat. His role with the heat is shooting that elbow jumper. And he's as bad a defender as boozer is. Not to mention he's soft. Stick a few elbows in his chest and hell start settling for 20 ft jumpers.

Then with wade and james, thell just funnel them. The bulls strength is their size. Wade and james are super athletes that are limited offensively. All they can do is drive to the basket and kick. That's why they have problems vs the better coached teams in the league.
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