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Old 01-21-2011, 04:40 AM   #46
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#1 russell 11 rings
#2 bird 3 rings
#3 cousy 6 rings, 10 first team all nba's
#4 Havlicek 8 rings, 4 1st teams, 5 all defensive 1st teams
#5 Mchale 3 rings, 7 time allstar, 6 all defensive teams, all nba 1st team

#6 pierce 1 ring, 0 all nba 1st teams, 0 defensive teams, 0 allstar starts
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:43 AM   #47
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#1 russell 11 rings
#2 bird 3 rings
#3 cousy 6 rings, 10 first team all nba's
#4 Havlicek 8 rings, 4 1st teams, 5 all defensive 1st teams
#5 Mchale 3 rings, 7 time allstar, 6 all defensive teams, all nba 1st team

#6 pierce 1 ring, 0 all nba 1st teams, 0 defensive teams, 0 allstar starts

modern day rings are more valluable
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:45 AM   #48
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:50 AM   #49
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modern day rings are more valluable

i know they are... i would say 1 ring today is worth 3 rings from the 60's

like russells 11 championships is more like 4 rings in todays game


so still

#1 russell - 4 legit rings
#2 bird - 3 rings
#3 cousy 2 legit rings
#4 havlicek 3 legit rings
#5 mchale 3 rings

#6 pierce 1 ring
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modern day rings are more valluable

Yeah, they're made in a tougher ERA physically.
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:53 AM   #51
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Yeah, they're made in a tougher ERA physically.

i actually agree with the adjustment for rings in eras

kobes 5 in a modern day era are slightly more impressive than russells collection of 11 crap rings in a 6-8 team league against guys who had to look at the ball when dribbling
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:13 AM   #52
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modern day rings are more valluable

Huh?

Anyway, to the people talking about McHale as a top 5 Celtic, you have got to be kidding me. If we are voting on a player's peak, then sure. But you need to remember McHale did not play at a high level his whole career. I have to give it to Pierce for how solid he has been during his whole career. I guess part of me wants a Celtic from each era on the team, and I believe Pierce embodies everything the Celtics are about.

Pierce is one of the best clutch performers I have ever seen. I watched Michael at the garden numerous times, I was privileged enough to have watched Reggie Miller play in New York (on TV), and I have seen Magic in person. Paul Pierce is right up there with those guys in terms of making daggers. I don't know how many times I have watched Paul make a huge shot to put another team away.
(Don't come in here mentioning Robert Horry. Just stop).

Cousy did change the way the game was played but he was not on the level of Paul Pierce. Sure, Paul has never been a top 3 player in the NBA. But he has consistently been one of the most reliable superstars. Yo udon't agree? Have a look:
Season-----PER
1998-99----19.2
1999-00----19.8
2000-01----22.3
2001-02----22.3
2002-03----22.7
2003-04----19.4
2004-05----21.8
2005-06----23.6
2006-07----21.7
2007-08----19.6
2008-09----17.7
2009-10----18.2
2010-11----20.5

Pierce's per 48 minute PER is 21.1 (in 2010-11) compared to the players he has been matched up against at 10.1 (that's far less than the league average).

Stat-----------------------------ON Court---------OFF Court-------Net
Net Points per 100 Possessions-----+12.4------------ -3.6----------+16.0

Pierce is the BEST player on the Celtics. He has never had adequate pieces around him until the big 3 came along. Before that, his best team was Antoine Walker, Kenny Anderson and spare parts. For the longest time Boston was assembling a team of washed up stars, and mid first round picks. Not exactly a pattern for becoming a winning team. People don't bash Tracy McGrady this much. You can't tell me Pierce has had more talented teams than McGrady.

I can agree with people who say McHale could be ranked over Pierce, and I can see the logic behind someone claiming Jo Jo White* could be ranked over Pierce, but I fail to see how players like Cousy, Jones and Parish get mentions over him.

For the record, I would rank Jo Jo above McHale, too.
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what? this era is tougher for sure
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lets be realistic. if rings from the 60's were worth anywhere near what they are today... bill russell would be run away GOAT

russells 11 = about 4-5 today... i dont know why your shaking your shoulders
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i actually agree with the adjustment for rings in eras

kobes 5 in a modern day era are slightly more impressive than russells collection of 11 crap rings in a 6-8 team league against guys who had to look at the ball when dribbling

I haven't neg repped anyone......... yet.


How do you rank Hondo's rings? He won in the 'weak' era, and also won in the mi 70's?

Kobe's era seems more watered down to me. I'd like to see him in the 80's or 90's . He would have been beaten down by teams like the Knicks and torched by guys like Jordan, Drexler, Richmond, English, Dantley, King and Miller.
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lets be realistic. if rings from the 60's were worth anywhere near what they are today... bill russell would be run away GOAT

russells 11 = about 4-5 today... i dont know why your shaking your shoulders

yeah, not sure why everyone was so shocked at my statement
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yeah, not sure why everyone was so shocked at my statement

NWA's music is not worth the fanfare. Selling 2,000,000 records in 1988 is like selling 10,000 today. That's using your logic.
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NWA's music is not worth the fanfare. Selling 2,000,000 records in 1988 is like selling 10,000 today. That's using your logic.
that is nothing like it at all....
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I love Paul Pierce too but you be on his dick too much
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How do you rank Hondo's rings? He won in the 'weak' era, and also won in the mi 70's?

Kobe's era seems more watered down to me. I'd like to see him in the 80's or 90's . He would have been beaten down by teams like the Knicks and torched by guys like Jordan, Drexler, Richmond, English, Dantley, King and Miller.


yea your right kobes garbage.

hondo's rings in the era where off hand dribbling was non existent were more impressive. where players shot under hand free throws and didnt know what a cross over was yet and 90% of the league couldnt dunk... yea sure

and yea kobe wouldnt be tough enough to body up with players from the 80's

hes got it easy playing against muscular tall wing players like lebron, wade.

no way he could be physical enough to deal with the fat gut having, no muscular definition players of the 80's



no way would a guy from an era with average scores of 100 points could go back to in time to the 80's pace of 115-120ppg and possibly score as many ppg as they can today


no way could a guy like kobe dominate without being a bruiser, pound it in player. kobes style would never work back in the 80's

oh no

wait .... didnt michael jordan play in the 80's
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