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Old 02-23-2013, 04:03 PM   #91
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put kobe on any other team then the lakers for his first 10+ years and he would have 250+ right now. fact.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:10 PM   #92
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put kobe on any other team then the lakers for his first 10+ years and he would have 250+ right now. fact.

Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:16 PM   #93
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Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.
he was on bad teams from 85-90 and 01-03. thats about 10 years where his 400 at?
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:33 PM   #94
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Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.

In just the '87 and '88 seasons alone, he had 55 total 40+ games. He had an additional twelve games of 40+ through the first 57 games of the '89 season before the move to PG when he was averaging 11 apg, but still had a streak of 3 consecutive 40+ games after the move. More impressively, he had 21 games with 40+ in the '90 season on a 55 win team. And during these pre-championship years, he had three 40+ games in the '88 playoffs, 7 in the '89 playoffs and 6 in the '90 playoffs in addition to a lone 40+ game in the '87 playoffs.

So in just 4 seasons, that's 91 regular season 40+ games and 17 in the playoffs in just 46 playoff games during that time. To put that in perspective, I looked it up a while ago, and no recent player has even approached 17 40+ playoff games in their entire career. The closest have been Kobe at 13, Shaq at 12, Hakeem and Lebron at 11 and Iverson at 10.

I have wondered what '90-'92 MJ would have on the '87 and '88 Bulls individually. What he did in the 90's was more impressive, but it's interesting to think of prime MJ in a position to score as much as possible.

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he was on bad teams from 85-90 and 01-03. thats about 10 years where his 400 at?

I know I shouldn't bother since you're trolling, but this will only take a second. 39/40 years old with the Wizards, a rookie in '85, missed most of the '86 season and had his minutes limited when he did play, and the '90 team doesn't qualify as a bad team, they contended for a title.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:39 PM   #95
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Just imagine what he would have done if he was the #1 option his entire career.

Probably something like 200+ 40 pt games, 40 50+ pt games, and 10 60+ pt games. Dude has nearly 20! 50+ pt games and 4 different 60+ pt games in a two-season span. Insane.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:11 PM   #96
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I have wondered what '90-'92 MJ would have on the '87 and '88 Bulls individually. What he did in the 90's was more impressive, but it's interesting to think of prime MJ in a position to score as much as possible.
Peak Jordan ('91, '92, '93) v.s. Peak Kobe (2006, 2007, 2008) in comparable team situations ... it would be absurd to think about. Especially if scoring is Jordan's main focus, the way it was Kobe's those couple seasons.

Kobe could've made plays while scoring and facilitated more and been a more balanced team leader (ala 2008) in 2006 and 2007 in order to help the Lakers win games but no, he purposely was doing his scoring binge thing in 2006 and 2007 because the opportunity presented itself, and it feeds into Kobe's legacy goals.

I think it's very conceivable peak Jordan could have had a few 60's and 70 point games if he was willing. And god knows how many 50 and 40 point games. Especially if MJ took advantage of bad teams the way Kobe so readily did those seasons (2006 Raptors, 2007 Bobcats, 2007 Blazers, 2007 Hornets)
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he was on bad teams from 85-90 and 01-03. thats about 10 years where his 400 at?

Err, try again kid. He was on poor/average teams in '85, '87, 88, and '89. That's 5 seasons. By 1990 the Bulls were a very good team - likely the second or third best team in the league. He was 39/40 on the Wizards.
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Err, try again kid. He was on poor/average teams in '85, '87, 88, and '89. That's 5 seasons. By 1990 the Bulls were a very good team - likely the second or third best team in the league. He was 39/40 on the Wizards.
and in those 5 seasons he only had 77 40+ games. if he played 10 on those teams he'd get 180 at the very most. 400? lol you need to stop trolling kid.
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Just imagine what he would have done if he was the #1 option his entire career.

Probably something like 200+ 40 pt games, 40 50+ pt games, and 10 60+ pt games. Dude has nearly 20! 50+ pt games and 4 different 60+ pt games in a two-season span. Insane.

Kobe's 35 and 40 point streaks in 2003 came after Phil essentially made him the first option, and that's around the time the Lakers took off after a miserable start. It's interesting that most of his greatest individual feats have come after he was gvenhe green light such as those streaks, the entire 2006 season and the late 2007 stretch. He scored 40+ in 9 of the 17 games after Phil told him to shoot more in 2007, including seven 50+ games.

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Peak Jordan ('91, '92, '93) v.s. Peak Kobe (2006, 2007, 2008) in comparable team situations ... it would be absurd to think about. Especially if scoring is Jordan's main focus, the way it was Kobe's those couple seasons.

Kobe could've made plays while scoring and facilitated more and been a more balanced team leader (ala 2008) in 2006 and 2007 in order to help the Lakers win games but no, he purposely was doing his scoring binge thing in 2006 and 2007 because the opportunity presented itself, and it feeds into Kobe's legacy goals.

I think it's very conceivable peak Jordan could have had a few 60's and 70 point games if he was willing. And god knows how many 50 and 40 point games. Especially if MJ took advantage of bad teams the way Kobe so readily did those seasons (2006 Raptors, 2007 Bobcats, 2007 Blazers, 2007 Hornets)

I'd include '90 Jordan, I don't think he's ever been a better scorer and that version of Jordan is about as good as any, imo. I included '90 instead of '93 because I think '90 Jordan had a bit more stamina which I think would equate to more 40+ games on a bad team.

I have no problem with how Kobe played in '06 and '07 given the teams he was on and what he was asked to do. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team in '06 because he thought it'd take a while for them to get use to the triangle, and in '07, he was playing unselfishly early and the Lakers were a surprising 26-15 at the halfway mark, but fell off after that, and Phil told Kobe to start shooting when they were on a losing streak which resulted in the 65 vs Portland and those 4 straight 50+ games. Only thing I can criticize about '07 Kobe is his defense.
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Funny you should say that. Speaking of high scoring games, Jordan has by far the most games of 47-49 points after Wilt. Kobe is close enough in terms of 50 point games (in the regular season, that is), trailing MJ's 31 games of 50+ points with 24 games of 50+ of his own. However, look at what each of them did in the 46-49 point range. Here are the number of games they've scored exactly that number of points in the regular season:


Jordan:

46 pts - 7 games
47 pts - 9 games
48 pts - 3 games
49 pts - 9 games

Kobe:

46 pts - 5 games
47 pts - 1 game
48 pts - 4 games
49 pts - 1 game

As you can see, no one is close to Jordan in terms of high scoring games in the modern era. Crazy that he had 9 games of 49 points - think of how many game of 50+ he could have had! He conceivably could have had 10+ more games of 50+ points on his resume.

When you look at the playoffs, it's an even bigger discrepancy:


Jordan:

46 pts - 5 games
47 pts - 2 games
48 pts - 2 games
49 pts - 2 games

Kobe:

46 pts - 0 games
47 pts - 0 games
48 pts - 1 game
49 pts - 1 game

Again, a huge gulf. And Jordan is already way out in front in terms of 50+ point games in the playoffs (8 for MJ versus 1 for Kobe). Then ad these games of 46-49 points in there as well and it's easy to see why MJ was the most dominant playoff performer in history.


Hey Roundball Rock, that graphic is from the second three-peat and in the playoffs. Maybe the reason that Jordan had to take so many shots was because your boy Pippen was stinking up the joint with 39.0%, 41.7%, and 41.5% FG in the '96-'98 postseasons despite much lower ppg volume than MJ (16.9, 19.2, and 16.2 ppg in those postseasons) and seeing far less defensive attention than Jordan. Maybe if Pippen were more efficient and didn't disappear offensively those postseasons he would have warranted more shot attempts.

So 39 higher end 40 point games for Jordan, and 13 for Kobe. Again I figured as much but it's crazy to actually see the number.
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