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Old 12-16-2008, 06:59 PM   #1
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Default Revisiting All-Star voting system

Since the fan's have global options of internet access , instead of just fans in the bleachers this has / and will continue to happen to tarnish the value of what the title "ALL STAR" really stands for :

By John Hollinger
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All-Star balloting results came out this week and they show the Nets' Yi Jianlian in third place among Eastern Conference forwards, just behind LeBron James and Kevin Garnett and ahead of Chris Bosh and Paul Pierce. This is something of an embarrassment for the league and its encouragement of international voting over the Internet, because Yi clearly doesn't belong in an All-Star Game -- he's averaging 11 points and six rebounds.

I'm sure the league will spin it positive and say, "Look, it's working -- the two best players are leading the vote." I take the opposite viewpoint: It demonstrates that someday soon the international vote will put a player in the All-Star Game who has absolutely, positively no business being there. We're not talking about marginal choices like we've seen from other fan votes in recent years, we're talking about a player you wouldn't consider even if they doubled the roster size. The fact Yi even has a chance of making it threatens to make a mockery of the entire fan-voting process.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ge=dime-081216

I think the NBA has to start taking this game and the value that the HOF considers viable as "ALL STAR appearances" as legit , and either change the voting system in the fan system , by either by percentage and allow the media to also assist in a percentage or all the COACHS & GM's dictate this.

YI an ALL STAR - give me a break
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:29 PM   #2
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david stern's administration has chosen long ago to make popularity, not competition, the heart of all star weekend. this is the consequence of that decision. marketing the global business has become more important than showcasing the all stars of the game; the players dont even take it seriously anymore

there is too much money-- especially the potential growth of the chinese market-- for stern to change back to some sort of merit system to get all stars in

i must say that i do miss the days when the all stars took pride in the game and actually tried to win and played defense. it is just a glorified lay-up drill now

even a guy like yi will get his 15 minutes of fame and it will be a big hit in beijing
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:39 PM   #3
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david stern's administration has chosen long ago to make popularity, not competition, the heart of all star weekend. this is the consequence of that decision. marketing the global business has become more important than showcasing the all stars of the game; the players dont even take it seriously anymore

there is too much money-- especially the potential growth of the chinese market-- for stern to change back to some sort of merit system to get all stars in

i must say that i do miss the days when the all stars took pride in the game and actually tried to win and played defense. it is just a glorified lay-up drill now

even a guy like yi will get his 15 minutes of fame and it will be a big hit in beijing

This is the truth right here, Stern is too ignorant to give really passionate fans a show they want to see
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This is the truth right here, Stern is too ignorant to give really passionate fans a show they want to see

stern isnt ignorant-- he is a businessman who wants to grow the nba into a global entity. if anything, he is blinded by this goal
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:58 PM   #5
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Default Re: Revisiting All-Star voting system

Yeah, I'm sure it would be good for the NBA's business in China if Yi made the team. It wouldn't be good for basketball purists, but it would be good for business.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:59 PM   #6
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If Yi vs. Yao in a regular season game which was Milwaukee vs. Houston got 200 million viewers, than the all star game which will surely get 50 million or so viewers from the states/Canada plus the Chinese will be an amazing show case of the ASG.
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i actually want yi to make the starting lineup... then there would be a huge media/fan backlash that hopefully stern cant sweep under the rug
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:04 PM   #8
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I never thought about that --- - that would be out rageous - YI starting
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:41 AM   #9
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The ASG is a fan exhibition. If the picks is a problem for the HOF voters then the HOF voters should lose their voting rights, because they're supposed to be experts that know the game well and understand who was and was not a great player. If Yi Jianlian makes the ASG due to the fan vote Stern should embrace it because the NBA is a fan driven league that is trying to make money, and if that money comes from China, fine. That shouldn't be something that somehow forces the HOF voters to insert an unworthy player. All this uproar over the ASG voting is stupid. It's just an exhibition for the fans, big deal. The best players in the league are honored by the All-NBA selections, not the All-Star Game. Look at Vince Carter. He slid in for years while playing half-seasons in TO, and Penny and Grant Hill have also slid by in the past, but now that Yi may get it it's osme kind of travesty? Plus, he probably won't pass LBJ or KG anyhow.
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:12 PM   #10
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The ASG is a fan exhibition. If the picks is a problem for the HOF voters then the HOF voters should lose their voting rights, because they're supposed to be experts that know the game well and understand who was and was not a great player. If Yi Jianlian makes the ASG due to the fan vote Stern should embrace it because the NBA is a fan driven league that is trying to make money, and if that money comes from China, fine. That shouldn't be something that somehow forces the HOF voters to insert an unworthy player. All this uproar over the ASG voting is stupid. It's just an exhibition for the fans, big deal. The best players in the league are honored by the All-NBA selections, not the All-Star Game. Look at Vince Carter. He slid in for years while playing half-seasons in TO, and Penny and Grant Hill have also slid by in the past, but now that Yi may get it it's osme kind of travesty? Plus, he probably won't pass LBJ or KG anyhow.
You have a point , however you must look back prior to internet voting and specially prior to Chineese players accessing the league.
60's 70's 80's the players that got an 'all-star' node put this on their resume , because it was important. Look at the HOF'ers and see that NO HOF'er I am aware of never played in an ALL STAR game.
So if I use your logic - Yi could start in the all-star exh. game for 15 years , while a viable HOF'er never gets into the highest ballot , because the public wants to see scrubs' like YI ?
Comon sense says ALL STARS are supposed to be the cream of the crop.
That's why HOF'ers have it on their resume and it makes them legit.
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Things change. It's important for Stern and the NBA to tap into overseas markets like China, and if the price of that is some deserving players don't get to be All-Stars, so be it. What do you think is more important to the league: millions more in profits (over time, potentially billions) or preserving a standard for HOF inclusion? Again, it's the HOF voters duty to know who really was and was not great. If Yi Jianlian never evolves into a truly dominant player I doubt that HOF voters will put him in anyway just because he made the ASG on 11 and 6.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:47 AM   #12
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Why not change the Allstar game from East vs. West to USA vs "Rest of the World"?
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Why not change the Allstar game from East vs. West to USA vs "Rest of the World"?
Foreign players still aren't good enough.

C-Yao/Bogut
PF-Nowitzki/Okafor
SF-Turkoglu/Don't know
SG-Rudy Fernandez? Again, I have no clue
PG-Calderon/whoever

vs. The All-NBA First team and a mix of the second and third teams (Dirk and Yao get spots). It'd be a slaughter.
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Foreign players still aren't good enough.

C-Yao/Bogut
PF-Nowitzki/Okafor
SF-Turkoglu/Don't know
SG-Rudy Fernandez? Again, I have no clue
PG-Calderon/whoever

vs. The All-NBA First team and a mix of the second and third teams (Dirk and Yao get spots). It'd be a slaughter.

Yeah, I know, but I think it would be good for the game if the players take this show more serious and play real basketball, and a matchup like that would guarantee this.

C- Yao/Bogut/Ilgauskas
PF - Nowitzki/Gasol
SF - Turkoglu/Deng
SG - Ginobili/Fernandez
PG - Nash/Parker/Calderon

...is not that bad.
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This thread is straight-up racist. It's based on the belief that Chinese fans aren't as worthy as American fans, who have been voting in undeserving players for my whole lifetime.

Every year one or two non-deserving players are voted in by the fans, and I think that's just fine. Yi probably won't make the game, but if he does, he'll just be one of the two or so non-deserving players (along with Iverson) making the game. He's obviously a hugely popular player, just as Vince Carter was during some of his non-deserving years, just as Kobe Bryant was during his rookie year, just as Penny Hardaway was the year that he was injured the full season up to the all-star game.
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