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Old 12-04-2008, 02:23 AM   #16
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

This offseason was the time to trade Nash. Only a legit contender would take him at this point and of those teams, only LA needs a PG. But they need defense at PG lol
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:28 AM   #17
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

its still pretty early in the season but it doesnt take a basketball genius to know that amare will never win you a title. trade him while you can he doesnt play good defense for his body or rebound all that well. doesnt play off the ball great at all either
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:32 AM   #18
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its still pretty early in the season but it doesnt take a basketball genius to know that amare will never win you a title. trade him while you can he doesnt play good defense for his body or rebound all that well. doesnt play off the ball great at all either
He probably can but he has never had to. D'antoni never forced it on him and even if Porter is forcing him to it still isn't helping because Porter doesn't have the balls to make him do anything Amar'e doesn't even listen to him in games. He needs to be thrown into a team where he is forced to do it himself and if that never happens then oh well just another talent wasted bring on the next year of superstars.

Suns should definitely look to trade they can't build around a guy has never had the experience to learn and has been spoiled by his team even if he had an incredible recovery its different to be almost alone leading a team. Look at Durant with the Thunder he is going to be a franchise player one day and maybe a future MVP because he is getting his learning opportunity early on and becoming a leader. Its not too late for Amar'e he is just getting into his prime but if not now or next year it will be too late.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:33 AM   #19
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its still pretty early in the season but it doesnt take a basketball genius to know that amare will never win you a title.

Itís funny how things change. Not too long ago, I was throwing around statements like that and I was being called a troll for. Iím waiting for some of our geniuses to come in and see that these statements are the consensus now.
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:36 AM   #20
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

Firstly, we need to fix up the offense. Our defense overall isn't too bad, despite being trash on the perimeter at times - our opponent field goal percentage defense is 10th in the NBA this season (44%; Boston leads at 40.8%, Knicks are last at 48.3%) so it's not too shoddy. The big issue is turnovers, caused by an offense that takes players out of their comfort zone. Except for Shaq.

What that article mentions is a good step - let Nash control the offense more instead of forcing him to do things he's not comfortable with - so we get closer to the offense we had last season.

Amare needs to give it his all every game, instead of just during the playoffs (10+ career rebound average) or every now and then. He's usually scoring decently but he's looked lazy on the boards and with help defense. Although his man to man D has improved.

Either watch a game or check out the numbers on 82games.com - his opponent average PER last year was 23; this year it's 12. But he just doesn't seem particularly motivated at the moment, probably a result of having been taken out of his comfort zone in the offense lately. His offensive rebounds are down from last year; defensive are the same. Still, that shouldn't be an excuse. He has some learning to do - nothing should stop him from putting in effort on the glass every game, no matter what the situation.

The next stretch of games will show us a lot about this team. With the offense going back to Nash, everyone should adjust better - and hopefully that leads to more energy and effort on the boards/defense.

Of course, today was a bad start considering Nash didn't even play. But we'll see how these next few games go. It's a tough stretch - Dallas, Utah, LA, Orlando...
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:17 AM   #21
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

1. Force Sarver to sell the team.
2. Fire Kerr.
3. Fire Porter.
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:45 AM   #22
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

The key is shaq. he changes there whole dynamic. whene he is playing, it allows amare to be more creative both offensivley and defensivley. just look at there record this year with him/without him.the games he plays well in, they usually win and the ones he struggles in are most of the time losses.
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Old 12-04-2008, 06:59 AM   #23
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

If i were the suns, i'm not thinking about rejuvenation.
They have to try to win it all now.

They have the best starting frontcourt in the league, and they have one of the best pointguards.

All they need is a wing scorer, who can create for himself and others.

VC would be a perfect fit. and he might be available too.
Diaw, Barbosa and a 1st rd pick for VC helps both teams imo.

Nets' backcourt becomes the fastest in the league (Harris + Barbosa).
Harris - Barbosa - Diaw - Yi - Lopez
that lineup can develop together for a long time.

Suns become really strong at the starting 5:
Nash - VC - Barnes - Amare - Shaq, with Grant Hill as a 6th man
(Barnes starts, because they need a defensive specialist 3pt shooter in the starting lineup)

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Old 12-04-2008, 10:43 AM   #24
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

Rumour is that Nash wants to play for Toronto in his last few years in his career.

Maybe work a deal with Toronto?
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:46 AM   #25
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Rumour is that Nash wants to play for Toronto in his last few years in his career.

Maybe work a deal with Toronto?
They need wing players, not a PG.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:48 AM   #26
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They need wing players, not a PG.

Correct, another rumour is B.C is targeting Diaw and Borbosa.

I was thinking about making a deal involving around Nash, Barbosa and Diaw, but it seems impossible. The only trade bait we got is Kapono, Bargnani and Parker..
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:59 AM   #27
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Im going about our recent struggles in a calm manner(although im pretty mad)
Iv'e just been thinking to my self of what we need and how we can do it, Because honestly something just isn't clicking. Maybe were just one big win away from getting back on track but something deffinetly needs to change.
options

1-Fire Terry Porter
This option is very unlikely because for one Kerr is stubborn and very good friends with the guy. I like the guy a lot but he has no offensive gameplan which has worked so far and has destroyed something that did not need fixing. Our defense has also not improved a considerable amount to compinsate for our offensive struggles.
2-Trade Amare Stoudemire
Now this move would honestly be very drastic but if you really wanted to shake things up this would be one of our only options since most of our guys are untradeble anyways. Now i'm not saying trade him just so we can trade him, we deffinetly need value back and he may very well leave after 2010. I hope we don't have to do this but im just laying out options.
3-Start running a lot again
This is pretty obvious and i think most agree with this anyways but if we want to start winning games maybe we should just get back to the old ways and see if we can do what we did with Shaq last year. Its sad that we even came to this though considering we had the best offensive coach last year

Any ideas trades comments? I also wonder what we could get for diaw/barbosa although they've deffinetly not been the problem and diaws played very well.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...t-bickley.html

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After returning from the locker room alone, Porter told the media that Nash might soon take a greater hand in this offense by controlling the ball more frequently. Nash could then create plays, shots and spacing. Effectively, it means the offense no longer starts in the post.

"It's a lot easier to control turnovers from one guy than from 12 guys," Porter said.

And then the coach tossed the window open:

"If Formula 1 isn't working, you go to Formula 2," he added.

To recap: In one busy day, Porter called his team off the court, proving who's in charge. Then he admitted the potential error of his offensive design and showed a willingness to change. It was nice to see a coach hold everyone accountable.

Im just gonna put this article in there for whoever is interested, its pretty interesting credits to 3stat3
you should have thought of all this before you traded marion for shaq.

instead of improving the situation, all you did you transfer the "i deserve more importance" from marion to stoudemire. before that it was joe johnson.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:03 AM   #28
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

Go back in time and not hire Steve Kerr, not trade Shawn Marion and not get rid of Mike D'Antoni.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:06 AM   #29
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

Let Nash's and Shaq's contract expire as that is 40 million off the books.

They could trade Amare to a team like Chicago to get something in return for when Amare leaves.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:58 PM   #30
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Default Re: So, how do we rejuvinate this Suns Team?

Portland
Amare

Phoenix
Aldridge
Bayless
Webster
Frye
#1 2009
#1 2011
Maybe throw in some of the second rounders Portland has

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...1~21&te=&cash=

Orlando
Steve Nash

Phoenix
Hedo
Courtney Lee
Brian Cook
#1 2009
#1 2011

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...1~21&te=&cash=

Chicago
Shaq

Phoenix
Hinrich
Gooden
Noah

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...1~21&te=&cash=

Cleveland
Diaw
Bell

Phoenix
Szczerbiak
#2 2009

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21&te=&c ash=

San Antonio
Barbosa
Hill

Phoenix
Bowen
Bonner
#1 2009

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...1~21&te=&cash=

Cut Singletary, Barnes, Cook and Amundson or trade superior players like Bowen or Turkoglu for Picks, maybe a 3-way trade somewhere in between.

New Lineup Phoenix
Hinrich(after Injury)/Bayless/Dragic
Szczerbiak/Lee/Tucker
Turkoglu/Webster/Bowen
Aldridge/Gooden/Frye
Noah/Lopez/Bonner

expirers 2009: Szczerbiak 13.7/Cook 3.5/Gooden 7.1/Frye 3.1
total: 27.4 million

+

POR #1 2009
ORL #1 2009
SA #1 2009
CLE #2 2009
POR #1 2011
ORL #1 2011

Too easy

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