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Old 12-04-2008, 02:00 AM   #16
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

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that was the point...this isnt the first pg to leave Dirk and all the sudden blow up..

Nash leaves and 2 time MVP
Harris leaves and then he is droppin 47/7/6 on people

his team is still below 500. Dirk is taking a piece of garbage team to over 500 in the West right now
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:00 AM   #17
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

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that was the point...this isnt the first pg to leave Dirk and all the sudden blow up..

Nash leaves and 2 time MVP
Harris leaves and then he is droppin 47/7/6 on people

I think it proves that the system and playstyle is the most important aspect in a players success.

The Suns uptempo system on a team packed with atheletes was perfect for Nash.

The Nets letting Harris be a shoot first-pass second PG, is perfect for his ability and playstyle.

I'm not sure how good of a coach Avery is or isn't, but it is interesting that (supposedly) many of the Mavs players did not want Avery to return. If the head coach can't get the respect of his players, they are never going to give him 100%.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:04 AM   #18
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I'm not sure how good of a coach Avery is or isn't, but it is interesting that (supposedly) many of the Mavs players did not want Avery to return.

That's right. Wait...didn't basically every player tell Cuban they'd strike and demand a trade unless Avery was fired? Or did I have a really weird dream?
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:03 AM   #19
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

When Avery is yelling out plays, screaming in timeouts, and has Dirk driving to the basket as they make the only finals in team history hes a leader who changed the approach from Nellys all offense regular season ball. They lose(compared only to his own Maverick teams...no other Mavs coach really did anything he didnt) and young players develop on other teams away from him and hes a bad coach?

Harris averaged 14/5 on 48% shooting on the Mavs last year in 39 games and 15/7 on 44 in Jersey in 25 games playing more minutes. He was in the 16/6 range in Dallas for a couple months. Now hes around 25 a game...was Avery holding him back last season in Jersey too? Hes like 24 or 25. Maybe hes just getting better.

Perhaps a few years of looking over your shoulder stunts the growth of your confidence but its not like he looked like crap in Dallas that last year. There is a reason fans were less than amazed at getting an old Kidd for him. He was looking very good.

He wouldnt be a 25 a game player in Dallas under Rick either I dont think. How often does a young point have the kind of freedom he does in Jersey on a team looking to win it all? Parker didnt have it on the Spurs. He got pulled in the 4th quarter for his backups many years into his career.

A young point shouldnt be expected to do whatever he feels like on a potential title team as he was on in Dallas every season.

You can call it holding back but its what happens to young points in that situation more often than not. Hes was on a team with 2 all stars. Its not often a young point just gets handed a team to do with as he pleases. Not a team that really has a shot to win anything.

Chris Pauls and Deron Williams are kinda rare.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:06 AM   #20
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

Dirk still is keeping up with the Avery nonsense...he needs to get over it, and demand a trade already. The Mavs are not constructed to win a title now, and he is getting up there in age. It is time for Dirk to part ways with Cuban, and move on to greener pastures.

Marion + Udons + Blount for Dirk and Damp?

Dirk gets to be the second option he always wanted to be.
Eric Spolestra would probably magically resign and Riley would take over, but only the Pinoys would be mad about that.

It is time to detonate things in Big D. The Nelly/Avery/Dirk era was a failure for different reasons. There is no need to hold on to the recent past any longer.

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Old 12-04-2008, 11:27 AM   #21
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

The Raptors ought to go with Flip Saunders.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:28 AM   #22
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

I like Dirk a lot but how many more indirect shots is he going to take at Avery? It's starting to annoy me, this same guy got you to the NBA finals for possibly the only time in your career...just be grateful about that.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:35 AM   #23
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I like Dirk a lot but how many more indirect shots is he going to take at Avery? It's starting to annoy me, this same guy got you to the NBA finals for possibly the only time in your career...just be grateful about that.


Dirk needs someone to blame for his back to back choke jobs
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:38 AM   #24
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

Good players usually come in to their own around 24-25. Esp. point guards. Harris has been given the green light in Jersey and would never get the shot oppurntunities he gets in Dallas playing 3rd fiddle to Dirk and Howard. Its more about the situation he was put in I think. And it has to do with the fact that maybe he has improved? Cant blame the coach for everything
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:40 AM   #25
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

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that was the point...this isnt the first pg to leave Dirk and all the sudden blow up..

Nash leaves and 2 time MVP
Harris leaves and then he is droppin 47/7/6 on people

Nash didn't "blow up" when he left Dallas. His PER during his last two season in Dallas was 22.6 and 20.5. His PER during his first year in Phoenix was 22. His assist numbers went up, along with his turnover numbers, because he came into a fast-pace system that gave him more control of the offense. It had nothing to do with leaving Dirk, unless you think he's the one implementing the system and calling the plays. . . .
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:18 PM   #26
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

I can just see Kidd coming in the locker room like to tell Dirk of a new 2-man set he'd thought up, walking in on him indian sitting in front of the mavs lockerroom tv like watching Sportscenter highlights of Devin waxing Phx, slowly dipping his head, doing an about face and dejectedly trudging out of the room.

Lucky for Joumana she's not home to 'comfort' him anymore.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:48 PM   #27
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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

Dirk needs to shut the hell up and play the game....

he is becoming more annoying by talking about avery...let it go man...and concentrate on whats current....
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:06 PM   #28
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Dirk needs to shut the hell up and play the game....

What does that even mean? Was he giving the interview instead of playing a basketball game?

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Default Re: Dirk on Devin: Avery held him back

The Mavericks and their fans direct an awful lot of hate toward a coach who took them to sixty or more wins in consecutive seasons and an NBA Finals. It wasn't AJ who was out on the court choking in two consecutive postseason series.
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Just remember this every time you get Avery up on TV acting like Harris was his son who he loved and never wanted traded. Avery did NOT trust Harris, WANTED Kidd and then wouldn't even let Kidd run the offense.

You do NOT want Avery. Raptors fans, I'm looking at you. Don't get Sam Mitchell 2.0 if you guys want to do more than win in the regular season.

Here's what Dirk is really thinking...

"Why the **** didn't Devin Harris do this during the FINALS."
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