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Old 11-28-2008, 03:43 PM   #31
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I guess Tony Parker is a better player than Tim Duncan since Parker did better in that finals couple seasons ago and won the finals MVP?
I'm not talking about who has had the better career. I'm talking about who was the best on the team. The TP/Duncan situation is a different situation moron.

Paul Pierce is the best player on the Celtics. He provides the most lethal offensive threat on the team, he is more clutch, and he proved he can play great defense. KG is a consistent scorer, but he can't bring it like Paul. KG is their best defender, but that team is great because of their great team defense, not because of just KG's presence. He's a factor, not the entire equation.
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:45 PM   #32
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Yeah, Garnett was the better player in the playoffs, but Pierce was the better player during the regular season and the Finals.

And why would I care what Bill Russell says? Do you want to know what Magic Johnson thinks of Vince Carter?
Look at the regular season numbers, Garnett was better. In my opinion he would have won MVP if he didn't get injured.
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the same way Kobe is a candidate, WINS. It just shows how flawed the logic for MVP voting is.
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:46 PM   #34
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Pierce was the better player during the regular season
KG was the hands down MVP before his injury though
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Look at the regular season numbers, Garnett was better. In my opinion he would have won MVP if he didn't get injured.
KG's play during the regular season was so overrated. He did NOT deserve MVP, and neither did any Celtic for that matter. Everybody was using the "big 3" as the reason why Boston was succeeding, yet all the MVP talk came to KG. That team was a great TEAM, and no one player was primarily responsible for their success, which is what a MVP is.
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:51 PM   #36
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KG's play during the regular season was so overrated. He did NOT deserve MVP, and neither did any Celtic for that matter. Everybody was using the "big 3" as the reason why Boston was succeeding, yet all the MVP talk came to KG. That team was a great TEAM, and no one player was primarily responsible for their success, which is what a MVP is.
The MVP award goes to the best player on one of the best teams. KG was clearly the best player on THE best team last season. Going by your logic, Dirk didn't deserve MVP in 2007.
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The MVP award goes to the best player on one of the best teams. KG was clearly the best player on THE best team last season. Going by your logic, Dirk didn't deserve MVP in 2007.
No, there is not definitive definition of the MVP as "best player on best team". KG wasn't the primary reason why the team was successful. He was part of it. Dirk's MVP is another matter with an entirely different situation dumbass. Take your bandwagon ass and stop responding to me please.
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Because he's the clutches player on the Celtics Roster.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:08 PM   #39
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Well I agree, Paul Pierce isn't MVP Candidate like. Think of it this way, if Celtics didn't have Paul Pierce, They would be successful with KG as their leader. If they didn't have Kevin Garnet, Paul Pierce won't lead the Celtics to success. Defense, Vocal Leader, Offensive leader wise, Kevin Garnet is easily the MVP of this team. He is the "Most Valuable Player"
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:13 PM   #40
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Well I agree, Paul Pierce isn't MVP Candidate like. Think of it this way, if Celtics didn't have Paul Pierce, They would be successful with KG as their leader. If they didn't have Kevin Garnet, Paul Pierce won't lead the Celtics to success.

LOL how do you know? How far has each taken their squads without each other? Conference finals. They both reached the same level, only KG got a MVP out of a great season. He had one great year, and a ton of dissapointments. Since both have reached the same level without each other, you can't say one will do more without the other with this team.

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Defense, Vocal Leader, Offensive leader wise, Kevin Garnet is easily the MVP of this team. He is the "Most Valuable Player"
KG provides defense, but Pierce doesn't? Pierce isn't a vocal leader? KG is the offensive leader? LMAO it's like people just totally forget what happened against LA.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:29 PM   #42
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No, there is not definitive definition of the MVP as "best player on best team". KG wasn't the primary reason why the team was successful. He was part of it. Dirk's MVP is another matter with an entirely different situation dumbass. Take your bandwagon ass and stop responding to me please.
Insults is your last resort because your arguement was a failure.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:31 PM   #43
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Default Re: How is Pierce considered a top MVP candidate?

Issue is very easy to me. Before they were teammates the question with KG was is he as good as Duncan...and his main rival was Dirk. 3 superstar MVPs. Pierce? The Pierce question was where he ranks among himself, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, and Manu. Several people had Artest ranked over him a while back. When trade rumors came up plenty of people though Maggette for Pierce would be a roughly equal deal salary and age considered(it wasnt but it gives an idea of where things were) Pierce has by playing worse basketball on a more talented team...gone from being compared to sidekicks and 3rd-4th tier stars to being better than an MVP who has been considered flat better than him their entire careers.

Pierce had more case to be better than KG around 02 than he does now. Pierce has become inconsistient the last couple years. He was better 02-07 than he is now possibly because his role was more well defined. He played better D than usual but he is and always will be an offensive player first. And he was terribly inconsistient. He had more playoff games where his turnovers outnumbered his field goals than he had superstar like performances. And seems hes done the same this year.

Pierce may well have not won an ISH poll vs Manu in 2007 for the exact same reason hed destroy him now.

Winning makes players overrated.

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Insults is your last resort because your arguement was a failure.
Funny, since you aren't addressing anything. Dirk's mvp situation was a totally different set of circumstances than KG's in Boston. The fact you think they are the same makes me think you are a dumbass bandwagon fan.
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Issue is very easy to me. Before they were teammates the question with KG was is he as good as Duncan...and his main rival was Dirk. Pierce? The Pierce question was where he ranks among himself, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, and Manu. Pierce has by playing worse basketball on a more talented team...gone from being compared to sidekicks and 3rd-4th tier stars to being better than an MVP.

Pierce had more case to be better than KG around 02 than he does now. Pierce has become inconsistient the last couple years. He was better 02-07 than he is now possibly because his role was more well defined. He played better D than usual but he is and always will be an offensivep layer first. And he was terribly inconsistient. He had more playoff games where his turnovers outnumbered his field goals than he had superstar like performances.

Pierce may well have not won an ISH poll vs Manu in 2007 for the exact same reason hed destroy him now.

Winning makes players overrated.
The same can be said of KG.




I don't think Pierce is far and away a superior player. I just don't think there's enough to say KG is better and more important than Pierce on this team.
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