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Old 03-29-2012, 11:38 PM   #466
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the %'s aren't any different...in fact, from 2005 to present, has the highest eFG% EVER for any era.

And if you break it down to 2-point conversions, this era is at 48.5%FG, and the 80's at 49.0%FG.

In fact, the Pheonix Suns have the highest recorded eFG% in NBA history in 2007 at 55.8%FG...BETTER than the 1985 Lakers...

now what?

Effective field goal percentage only accounts for 2s and 3s. Nothing about steals, turnovers and free throws. I have no idea whatsoever how or why you could consider that a better measure of defense.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:39 PM   #467
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Jordan is a legendary player with a high PER. That doesn't change the fact that his raw numbers are inflated by virtue of playing during a basketball era with a relatively low ability to stop people from scoring on a per possession basis.



Jordan scored well over 30 on similar possessions as today's game. Defense today is completely overrated and no one's stopping Lebron, wade, or Durant....you can add prime Jordan to that list as well.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:42 PM   #468
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Effective field goal percentage only accounts for 2s and 3s. Nothing about steals, turnovers and free throws. I have no idea whatsoever how or why you could consider that a better measure of defense.

80's had more steals, more turnovers, more FT's. Due to faster game pace, alot less 3's, and more hard fouls since the game was more interior....

SO WHAT??.....the %'s and your EYEBALLS can tell you that the defenses today aren't incredibly successful as stopping the offense...
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:45 PM   #469
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Are you dumb? I don't know if you're trolling, but you're just coming off as a dipshit. I said zones weren't legal back then and now they are. I don't think the 3-second rule does anything to change that, because all a player has to do is put his foot outside the paint. I didn't realize that was physically impossible and made zone defenses literally impossible.

Are you, Kobe stan? By your own admission, illegal defense was NOT called in the MJ era thus allowing zone traps - which was said in the video you refused to watch.

During Michael's day, teams were not allowed to play the Zone

How many times do you kobe pushpoppers have to get UTTERLY destroyed, before you educate yourselves on this subject?

"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"

-- Sam Goldpaper: "Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role"; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987

Check the date of the article kid..
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:46 PM   #470
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80's had more steals, more turnovers, more FT's. Due to faster game pace, alot less 3's, and more hard fouls since the game was more interior....

SO WHAT??.....the %'s and your EYEBALLS can tell you that the defenses today aren't incredibly successful as stopping the offense...

Stop them on average of a 104.2 points per 100 possession pace.

Guess what % of Jordan's career had league averages with that level of defensive success?

Hint: he wasn't wearing red

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Old 03-29-2012, 11:49 PM   #471
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Are you, Kobe stan? By your own admission, illegal defense was NOT called in the MJ era thus allowing zone traps - which was said in the video you refused to watch.

During Michael's day, teams were not allowed to play the Zone

How many times do you kobe pushpoppers have to get UTTERLY destroyed, before you educate yourselves on this subject?

"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"

-- Sam Goldpaper: "Challenges for Jordan: New League Rule and New Role"; NY Times, Nov 4, 1987

Check the date of the article kid..

I don't have the patience to troll with you right now because I'm watching the Lakers game. Maybe some other time. I do think it's funny you're making this about Kobe, though. Shows what kind of poster you are. For one, I never brought up Kobe. And two, I posted, in this thread no less, that Jordan is clearly the superior player. It's ironic that you're against these so-called Kobe fans, and yet you're the one who's fixated on him.

Like I said earlier, you're one of the dumber trolls I've come across on here, and that's saying a lot. At least some of those guys are entertaining. You're just a stupid dipshit.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:54 PM   #472
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I don't have the patience to troll with you right now because I'm watching the Lakers game. Maybe some other time. I do think it's funny you're making this about Kobe, though. Shows what kind of poster you are. For one, I never brought up Kobe. And two, I posted, in this thread no less, that Jordan is clearly the superior player. It's ironic that you're against these so-called Kobe fans, and yet you're the one who's fixated on him.

Like I said earlier, you're one of the dumber trolls I've come across on here, and that's saying a lot. At least some of those guys are entertaining. You're just a stupid dipshit.

I'm not making this about Kobe, or trying to be funny you slow-witted fool. Read the thread. Your friends made this about Kobe.

Once again, MJ faced every defense Bryant did, zones, traps, doubles, triples, gimmick defenses, and entire teams geared to stop him. And unlike Kobe, Mike was the focus of the opposing defense from his first day in the league.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #473
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I don't have the patience to troll with you right now because I'm watching the Lakers game. Maybe some other time.

You were trolling ?

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I'm not making this about Kobe, or trying to be funny you slow-witted fool. Read the thread. Your friends made this about Kobe.

Once again, MJ faced every defense Bryant did, zones, traps, doubles, triples, gimmick defenses, and entire teams geared to stop him. And unlike Kobe, Mike was the focus of the opposing defense from his first day in the league.

See my point? I never said Kobe had to face these ridiculously tough defenses, and yet that's what you're fixated on. Irony.
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You were trolling ?


What? No? That's why I said I didn't wanna bother going back and forth with an idiot whose entire existence revolves around Kobe.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:59 PM   #476
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See my point? I never said Kobe had to face these ridiculously tough defenses, and yet that's what you're fixated on. Irony.

You were talking about zones not being legal then, I debunked that. Your friends made this about Kobe, and your username is LA_Showtime; why not just respond to you like I do to your buddies?
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:00 AM   #477
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What? No? That's why I said I didn't wanna bother going back and forth with an idiot whose entire existence revolves around Kobe.

Wow, you really are dumb huh kid?
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:08 AM   #478
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Only an idiot takes this



And this



And turns it into an argument about Kobe.

There's no point in calling me an idiot since you're the one who started this argument out of nothing and has been grasping for straws ever since.

Wrong yet again apostle. Read the thread once more. You didn't make this about Kobe, your fellow fanbois did. I just responded to you because, well, you're like them - low iq.
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:11 AM   #479
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How the **** did I get those quotes when I quoted yours?

Your stupidity knows no boundaries. Great job.

I would delete that post too if I were you, moron.
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Let's try this again:

Only an idiot takes this

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I don't see how anyone who's not a dumb shit would put Kobe above Jordan. Kobe's best attribute is scoring, and Jordan scored more, shot a better percentage, had more counters, was better at getting OPEN shots, etc. Add in the fact he was a top-level defender, averaged closed to a triple double when he was put at point guard, won a bunch of scoring titles and MVP's, has six rings, etc... Need more convincing? How about Jordan's intangibles--his will to win, confidence, etc. It's amazing how Godly Jordan was; the dude was a basketball deity. I mean Kobe's got a resume that 99% of past, present, and future players would die for, and Jordan just blows him away, both individually and team-wise.

This

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The only thing Kobe's got on Jordan is that he didn't abandon his team to play baseball.

This

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What are you talking about? Teams couldn't play zone back then, and the idea that today's teams can't play zone is bullshit.

And turns it into an argument about Kobe.
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