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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
being labelled clutch or unclutch is worth a lick.
chokers like rose were labelled clutch somehow, when guys like dirk over their whole career were labelled unclutch. you had durant who was labelled clutch for a while, then people came to their senses.
people today call magic johnson clutch. go back to when he was playing and he was "tragic johnson" in late game situations, and he deserved the title.
peoples perception is always skewed by the media and their own bias.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Lol Pauk flipped out and cracked, all you need to look at is game 5 of the celtics series to see how clutch and mentally tough Lebron is
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
This doesn't need to be about Kobe, but Kobe has had more than his fair share of "let downs" in some of the most important games of his career.
The difference is that Kobe has also come through and led teams in a way that Lebron is yet to do really.
Although, Kobe is just a bad example. He's had some truly horrible performances as well and had the luxury of playing on teams that could overcome them.
Every player has failed before and has share of bad performance but at the end of the day, when you have FIVE ring in your fingers you must have done something remarkable in between to get to that point.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by Rooster
Every player has failed before and has share of bad performance but at the end of the day, when you have FIVE ring in your fingers you must have done something remarkable in between to get to that point.
Exactly. So lets wait and let Lebron actually play on those teams capable of winning before you claim what you are.
Kobe had the luxury of playing on some teams throughout his career that were simply significantly better than anything Lebron had up until last year. Lets see what Lebron does playing on a true contender year in year out.
Because if Lebron wins 3 titles in the next 5 years....you'll have to backtrack on what you say. And again, lets not pretend like Lebron has been playing on loaded teams his entire career. Only last year did he have a team that could have and should have won.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by Rooster
Every player has failed before and has share of bad performance but at the end of the day, when you have FIVE ring in your fingers you must have done something remarkable in between to get to that point.
Derek Fisher has done something remarkable?
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Wade was destroying his sorry ass in $tat$. There was no way his ego would allow him to win the finals where he isn't MVP.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by RRR3
Derek Fisher has done something remarkable?
Actually Derek Fisher barely played in their first championship but he is an important player in those 4 title runs. Fish is not a great player but when it comes to pressure, he is one of those few players who can rise over the occasion. So to answer you, yes he's done something remarkable. He's not a remarkable player by any means but being important part of 4 title run is remarkable.
Last edited by Rooster; 10-11-2011 at 10:28 PM.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Exactly. So lets wait and let Lebron actually play on those teams capable of winning before you claim what you are.
Kobe had the luxury of playing on some teams throughout his career that were simply significantly better than anything Lebron had up until last year. Lets see what Lebron does playing on a true contender year in year out.
Because if Lebron wins 3 titles in the next 5 years....you'll have to backtrack on what you say. And again, lets not pretend like Lebron has been playing on loaded teams his entire career. Only last year did he have a team that could have and should have won.
I'm still waiting. Your opinion is based on hypothetical scenario. We can't count on something that has not been done. If Lebron can prove me wrong. If he shows up on his biggest moments then that's a mark of true greatness.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
You can't be mentally weak and then lead the league in late-game production for 3 straight seasons.
LeBron's general hesitancy and passive play in the clutch last season, something I talked about ALL of last season, has everything to do with diminished ability. His current style of play is not at all conducive to the creativity and top-level playmaking(not passing, but just making plays) that's required from a closer. That is why he's passive. For all his improvements as a jump shooter, he still doesn't like taking a bunch of jumpers in a close game. He prefers playing the high % game, and since he can't really do that anymore(especially against a set, late-game defense), he'd rather not have the ball.
Last edited by Indian guy; 10-11-2011 at 10:45 PM.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by Indian guy
You can't be mentally weak and then lead the league in late-game production for 3 straight seasons.
LeBron's general hesitancy and passive play in the clutch last season, something I talked about ALL of last season, has everything to do with diminished ability. For all his improvements as a jump shooter, he still doesn't like taking a bunch of jumpers in a close game. He prefers playing the high % game, and since he can't really do that anymore(especially against a set, late-game defense), he'd rather not have the ball.
He was hesitant and passive vs. Boston in the 2010 playoffs as well, that can't be attributed to diminished ability? So what's the story there?
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by dynasty1978
He was hesitant and passive vs. Boston in the 2010 playoffs as well
At the end of close games? Not really.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
You know how I know LeBron drives an automatic car?
Because he's got no clutch.
On a side note, I doubt he has the mental capacity to actually know how to operate a car with a manual transmission. The idea alone of having to press the clutch while simultaneously shifting the knob would be too much for his petty brain.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by LeFraud James
You know how I know LeBron drives an automatic car?
Because he's got no clutch.
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
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Re: "Lebron is mentally weak, not clutch"... really?
Originally Posted by NBAller
Yeah, you mad.
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