D'Antoni Made Steve Nash

[Ben Simons]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.

Yea but him using him correctly is enhanced by Nash's basketball skills that aren't as easily replicated league wide.

The Warriors of the past few years since Kerr took over are definitely the 2004 - 2010 Suns on steroids, given that at least for awhile they could play defense, and had even more blistering shooting.

[BigKAT]

Yea but him using him correctly is enhanced by Nash's basketball skills that aren't as easily replicated league wide.

The Warriors of the past few years since Kerr took over are definitely the 2004 - 2010 Suns on steroids, given that at least for awhile they could play defense, and had even more blistering shooting.

Exactly.

Coaching can make players great.
Talent can make players great.

When you have both of them, that is when you really have something special. (MVP's, Rings etc..)

[SamuraiSWISH]

Exactly.

Coaching can make players great.
Talent can make players great.

When you have both of them, that is when you really have something special. (MVP's, Rings etc..)

Lol, didn't you conceit to just starting to watch basketball a few years ago? After previously being a soccer guy?

Anyway, yes you're right. They both amplified each other. And Nash was already an all star PG for a few seasons in a row.

PS: SMH @ the Dirk stans saying he had no help. Let's also not forget the loaded surrounding rosters. Guys like Finley, Van Excel, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Walker, and Jamison.

[Im Still Ballin]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.

Your second sentence is too long. Twenty-three words. I suggest no more than sixteen.

[Rocketswin2013]

Nash was still pretty good even on his NBA deathbed with Gentry.

[BigKAT]

Lol, didn't you conceit to just starting to watch basketball a few years ago? After previously being a soccer guy?

Anyway, yes you're right. They both amplified each other. And Nash was already an all star PG for a few seasons in a row.

PS: SMH @ the Dirk stans saying he had no help. Let's also not forget the loaded surrounding rosters. Guys like Finley, Van Excel, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Walker, and Jamison.

Watched European Basketball.
A whole different animal than NBA, but still.
Even watching the NBA for a few years is enough to come to the conclusion that greatness is achieved by a multitude of things rather than just one thing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Basketball has less nuance than any other popular sport in the world. It's not that complicated.

Well yes. Beauty and artistry is in simplicity. Takes a genius to make something simple. And a moron to make it over complicated. Complexity doesn't always equate to better. And even then, there is plenty of nuance to basketball. Actually the most straight forward sport is football and soccer.

[Smoke117]

Wade wasn't as good of a defender as Kobe, and wasn't carrying the same level of offensive burden. Or playing in even close to as difficult of a conference.

Kobe didn't even play defense in 06...what the **** are you talking about?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe didn't even play defense in 06...what the **** are you talking about?

Because he was putting up near 10 more PPG, carrying far worse teammates, in a much more difficult conference. Can't ignore context either.

How can you not comprehend this beyond your anti Kobe bias?

Bryant carried a heavier burden. Also, no defense? He got selected to the all defensive first team. They don't just hand that to players who reportedly play NO DEFENSE.

More exaggerations, and saltiness.

[Smoke117]

Because he was putting up near 10 more PPG, carrying far worse teammates, in a much more difficult conference. Can't ignore context either.

How can you not comprehend this beyond your anti Kobe bias?

Bryant carried a heavier burden. Also, no defense? He got selected to the all defensive first team. They don't just hand that to players who reportedly play NO DEFENSE.

More exaggerations, and saltiness.

Give me a break...Wade had just as much to do in 09 while also BEING THE BEST DEFENSIVE GUARD IN THE LEAGUE.

You clearly didn't watch much of Kobe in 06 either if you think he deserved that first team all defensive team nod. This post is almost as cringeworthy as your Jordan posts.

[OmniStrife]

OP you got your shit mixed up
Nash made D'Antoni.

2003-04 D'Antony w/o Nash: 29–53 (.354)
2004-05 D'Antony with Nash: 62–20 (.756)

[SamuraiSWISH]

You clearly didn't watch much of Kobe in 06 either if you think he deserved that first team all defensive team nod. This post is almost as cringeworthy as your Jordan posts.

His quality or consistency dipped due to energy levels needed for offense. 35 ppg v.s. 27 ppg. That's a HUGE titanic difference. Also,

Shaq, Walker, Haslem, Payton, and Jason Williams

vs

Mihm, Cook, Brown, Walton, and Smush Parker



Maybe 1st team defense wasn't deserving, but at this point he still was a better defender than Wade 2nd or 3rd team would be logical. But hey it makes up for him getting first defense team SHAFTED in 2000, and 2001.

And Kobe was a better defender than Wade up until the 2009 season.

[Smoke117]

His quality or consistency dipped due to energy levels needed for offense. 35 ppg v.s. 27 ppg. That's a HUGE titanic difference. Also,

Shaq, Walker, Haslem, Payton, and Jason Williams

vs

Mihm, Cook, Brown, Walton, and Smush Parker



Maybe 1st team defense wasn't deserving, but at this point he still was a better defender than Wade 2nd or 3rd team would be logical. But hey it makes up for him getting first defense team SHAFTED in 2000, and 2001.

And Kobe was a better defender than Wade up until the 2009 season.

Wade was already a good to very good defender by 06 and actually...playing defense. There is no possible way you can reasonably say Kobe was a better defensive player than Wade in 06 and 07 before he got injured.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade was already a good to very good defender by 06 and actually...playing defense. There is no possible way you can reasonably say Kobe was a better defensive player than Wade in 06 and 07 before he got injured.

Are you being enamored with blocks, or quality on ball defense?

Because the latter, Kobe is just far superior. At any point in their career. Wade was solid on ball, great help defender. Kobe was great on ball defender, and at times lazy help defender.

From an ability perspective he definitely hadn't surpassed Kobe at that point. And he was allowed more energy defensively those seasons given the quality of teammate support compared to Bryant. Obvious is frigging obvious.

The very next year in 2008, when Kobe got Gasol to finally help, his defensive intensity and consistency immediately picked up.



Also you don't seem near as pissed that Kobe clearly deserved first team all defense in 2001 but didn't get it. Call the 2006 a wash.