Willing to bet I have the best job out of all ISH posters.

[triangleoffense]

Sorry, responding to this after the fact because I was still Christmas shopping...
Why do you assume because I work in this field I don't have formal education? I've mention many times that I'm certified in applied nutrition. I've even mentioned I went to a holistic college and studied practical herbalism and integrative healing.
Even though this was supposed to be a jovial thread, your assumption of me is rather ignorant. Actually many of my competitors and people in my industry have similar backgrounds.
And if you don't know the difference between a protein shake and protein from food, I question your education.
Too bad, this thread was supposed to be light-hearted. Don't mean to be offensive, but really, what you're trying to paint me as is all wrong. But you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong.

I wasn't trying to insult, just to clarify. Without knowing the context of the original post it was hard for me to gauge what message or purpose you were really trying to get across. That was probably my most snarky response to your post before I had somewhat realized that your post may have been in jest.

Again I didn't mean to assume anything, also in that same light i encourage you to read some of my other posts as knowing the difference between rates of absorption of nutrients is exactly why i'm so skeptical about the supplement market in general. So on the contrary to your point it is this reason that I do know fairly intimately the differences between consuming supplemental protein synthesized in a lab vs meat/plant based protein that has been exposed to natural metabolic processes along the same metabolic processes that we humans share with all other life on this planet.

But without getting sidetracked into other arguments I was just curious as to what your credentials are as far as a job title (not to get specific) or what particular certifications you may have. For example what licensing/certifying body is responsible for 'applied nutrition"? Also what exactly is a holistic school and what type of degrees would it offer in "herbalism and integrative healing"? At the risk of sounding crass these credentials you describe do indeed sound fairly obscure and difficult to quantity which is exactly why i expressed doubts to begin with.

Again it's hard to judge tone, context not to mention sarcasm on the internet so I don't want you to get defensive but you really haven't gotten too specific on what exactly qualifies you to speak on nutrition. For example do you have any titles after your name such as RD or LD? I have spent a lot of time in school just to have a put "B.S in Kinesiology" after my name on resumes so you can understand how it can sound to a professional when someone is either hesitant or dodgy in providing bona fides even if it is on an obscure internet forum. As I've stated in earlier posts I have a B.S from a major state university in exercise science/kinesiology, certified by ACSM (american college of sports medicine) and am working towards an M.S in occupational therapy.

[triangleoffense]

The reason I posted anything at all is because as you are aware (or i hope you realize or are aware now) that there is a lot of misinformation on the topic of health, nutrition and exercise in general and that without a well grounded scientific approach as well as proper credentials it is impossible to know which types of advice would be right to take without either an extensive background knowledge on the subject or "formal education" as I stated in my earlier post.

My concern is that since there are a lot of laypersons on this forum that your posts, whether correctly informed or not, might entice others to take advice that is otherwise unsound.

anyways /rant over

[Niytrus]

You work for someone, the man.

I don't.

this.

[triangleoffense]

edit: lol t3h trolls

[hateraid]

Again, not sure if serious or just seriously insecure... from my personal experience "people who have reached the pinnacle that you are clearly on" typically don't need to say so on an internet message board unless they really needed affirmation or possibly are just that vain.

I didn't post that.

[triangleoffense]

I didn't post that.

lol I know, didn't mean to jump to any conclusions it's just late and i've had way too much coffee today.

Glad that you are doing well as no one person should have to feel ashamed for their accomplishments... wasn't trying to sound condescending it's just this field that I work in is sorta conflicted between those that have been exercising/living healthy their entire life (practical/applied) and those who have been studying how to exercise and life healthy (educational/empirical based). Again I'm sorry if i've offended you or come across as crass or assumptive.

Ether way if you want to have a serious discussion about nutrition, exercise science, metabolic growth or simply healthcare in general I'm game.

[hateraid]

I wasn't trying to insult, just to clarify. Without knowing the context of the original post it was hard for me to gauge what message or purpose you were really trying to get across. That was probably my most snarky response to your post before I had somewhat realized that your post may have been in jest.

Again I didn't mean to assume anything, also in that same light i encourage you to read some of my other posts as knowing the difference between rates of absorption of nutrients is exactly why i'm so skeptical about the supplement market in general. So on the contrary to your point it is this reason that I do know fairly intimately the differences between consuming supplemental protein synthesized in a lab vs meat/plant based protein that has been exposed to natural metabolic processes along the same metabolic processes that we humans share with all other life on this planet.

But without getting sidetracked into other arguments I was just curious as to what your credentials are as far as a job title (not to get specific) or what particular certifications you may have. For example what licensing/certifying body is responsible for 'applied nutrition"? Also what exactly is a holistic school and what type of degrees would it offer in "herbalism and integrative healing"? At the risk of sounding crass these credentials you describe do indeed sound fairly obscure and difficult to quantity which is exactly why i expressed doubts to begin with.

Again it's hard to judge tone, context not to mention sarcasm on the internet so I don't want you to get defensive but you really haven't gotten too specific on what exactly qualifies you to speak on nutrition. For example do you have any titles after your name such as RD or LD? I have spent a lot of time in school just to have a put "B.S in Kinesiology" after my name on resumes so you can understand how it can sound to a professional when someone is either hesitant or dodgy in providing bona fides even if it is on an obscure internet forum. As I've stated in earlier posts I have a B.S from a major state university in exercise science/kinesiology, certified by ACSM (american college of sports medicine) and am working towards an M.S in occupational therapy.

I don't consider myself the be all and end all of nutrition. My background and willingness to share has lead people to address those questions to me. But I've always been open minded to all ideas. I've never shut anyone down for sharing their input. In fact many times I've spoken against the industry and revealed intimate details.
As for my educational background I admit most of it is pretty intermediate because I did all of it while still working for GNC. I got promoted to a position in the company that dealt with product development as well as third party product research (I got to be on the front lines to approve products for GNC sales as well formulated products). Part of the prerequisite to move into that position was to have a certification in nutrition. Since that time I was already a district manager I could not afford to vut hours for school so the company outsourced a program I could do correspondence accredited through the University of Florida and paid for it. I completed the course on my own while still working. That got me in my position. Through there I was part of a team that designed products and formulations including the first multi-pack.
While in that position I also had the opportunity to be introduced to a variety of different companies all fighting for shelf space in the stores. I took interest in a company that sold ayurvedic products and the rep guided me towards a private holistic college. The course was the prerequisite to become a Master Herbalist. I completed the first prerequisite which was Practical Herbalism. It taught the essential basics of identifying herbs, how to process them into medicinal products, and how to prescribe them. The integrative healing part is how that is tied to western medicine. To a lot of people it sounds hokie, but it is a fascinating world of ancient medicine.
I never advanced far into these courses because I learned and gained experience in my position with GNC, which eventually had me grow relations with all the companies I deal with. It lead me to the owner of Dymatize whom i grown a great relationship and took over as the Eastern sales manager dealing with product education and business relations. Essentially a salesman . But I don't deal direct as we use distributors to move products throughout retail. I'm more of a brand ambassador.
And I do respect the route you've taken and the level of education you have. I never intended to disrespect you in any way. But I have encountered many times resistance to what I do from people in your level of expertise, but at the same time many of my colleagues, customers, and competition have similar education to you and are 100% behind sports nutrition. It's all perspective and approach. By no means is my industry based on selling miracles. True, there is alot of blind faith, but there is just as much blind faith in a doctor telling you to do/take certain things to cure a sickness. Just with what we do is to assist in filling gaps to help people get bigger, stronger, faster. My role is to educate both people and store owners on the matter.
Hopefully that gives you a little more insight about myself.

[triangleoffense]

I don't consider myself the be all and end all of nutrition. My background and willingness to share has lead people to address those questions to me. But I've always been open minded to all ideas. I've never shut anyone down for sharing their input. In fact many times I've spoken against the industry and revealed intimate details.
As for my educational background I admit most of it is pretty intermediate because I did all of it while still working for GNC. I got promoted to a position in the company that dealt with product development as well as third party product research (I got to be on the front lines to approve products for GNC sales as well formulated products). Part of the prerequisite to move into that position was to have a certification in nutrition. Since that time I was already a district manager I could not afford to quit school so the company outsourced a program I could do correspondence accredited through the University of Florida. I completed the course on my own while still working. That got me in my position. Through there I was part of a team that designed products and formulations including the first multi-pack.
While in that position I also had the opportunity to be introduced to a variety of different companies all fighting for shelf space in the stores. I took interest in a company that sold ayurvedic products and the rep guided me towards a private holistic college. The course was the prerequisite to become a Master Herbalist. I completed the first prerequisite which was Practical Herbalism. It taught the essential basics of identifying herbs, how to process them into medicinal products, and how to prescribe them. The integrative healing part is how that is tied to western medicine. To a lot of people it sounds hokie, but it is a fascinating world of ancient medicine.
I never advanced far into these courses because I learned and gained experience in my position with GNC, which eventually had me grow relations with all the companies I deal with. It lead me to the owner of Dymatize whom i grown a great relationship and took over as the Eastern sales manager dealing with product education and business relations. Essentially a salesman . But I don't deal direct as we use distributors to move products throughout retail. I'm more of a brand ambassador.
And I do respect the route you've taken and the level of education you have. I never intended to disrespect you in any way. But I have encountered many times resistance to what I do from people in your level of expertise, but at the same time many of my colleagues, customers, and competition have similar education to you and are 100% behind sports nutrition. It's all perspective and approach. By no means is my industry based on selling miracles. True, there is alot of blind faith, but there is just as much blind faith in a doctor telling you to do/take certain things to cure a sickness. Just with what we do is to assist in filling gaps to help people get bigger, stronger, faster. My role is to educate both people and store owners on the matter.
Hopefully that gives you a little more insight about myself.

i do appreciate your candor but in defense of the profession, and i say this as an only child of a neurosurgeon and a pulmonary physician (essentially an oncologist/cancer specialist) is that exactly to the contrary is that physicians and scientists always base their opinions and advice on solid empirical evidence, peer-reviewed and rigorously tested over and over again, this is the basis of the scientific method. Also based on what we know about pathology, etiology not to mention basic principles in biology and chemistry there are irrefutable facts about the healthcare of humans that simply cannot be ignored. One example i've mentioned earlier is the on-going debate between absorption levels of certain nutrients based upon supplement or "organic/natural" digestion. As I'm sure you are aware and as far as I know the only supplement that has been definitively proven to be just as efficient as "natural nutritional digestion and absorption" is vitamin d/calcium as the only other efficient way of getting that nutrient is through sunlight.

With that exception in mind I do agree with everything else you've just said about the nature of the healthcare/sports medicine field in general and respect your position on the matter. There is definitely a disconnect at times between the advice that a doctor may give and whether or not he takes his own advice which may not exactly work out on an applied/practical level since patients have a hard time taking advice from someone who doesn't practice what he preaches, so to speak. However that is not to say that there isn't just as many crank doctors out there as simply having a degree doesn't necessarily entitle you as an absolute authority on any subject matter, it just denotes that you've spent a long (sometimes very long) time in school studying said subject matter.

since you were polite enough to describe in detail many of your credentials I will say that I have also spent a long time studying exercise science and healthcare in general. Some notable courses i've taken are biomechanics/adv biomechanics, neuromuscular plasticity, cardiopulmonary physiology, exercise prescription, clinical physiology, among others. I've also had exceptional nutritional professors which is probably why i'm so passionate about that field in general as I had the pleasure of studying under Dr. Dan Benadart, PHD, LD, RD, LHS, etc (believe he has 5 phds) who was also the head nutritionist for the 1996 - 2004 olympic gold winning teams in gymnastics, track and marathon running, among others. He's pretty famous in nutritionist circles, is well published and works regularly with the Atlanta Falcons as their special nutritionist liason (not sure what his exact title is) and does consulting work with other high level/high profile athletes which I probably should not mention for liability reasons. He's also on the olympic nutritionist advisory board as are many other tenure ph.D professors who are employed at the program that I am in. I mentioned him by name since he is fairly well known and does teaching and lecturing work for many different universities.

I do respect your position as well and it seems like that you've worked very hard and are continuing to work very hard in better understanding the field and school of thought in which you a part of it.

[GimmeThat]

you know, statistically, people think they are skinnier than they really are when they look at the mirror

[fiddy]

-Pays just over $100,000
-I set my own schedule and only work in the field 4 days of the week.
-My HO is in Dallas so I work independently running my territory
-I work in the field I was educated to do. I get to talk about supplements
-I get to work at building businesses with retail and store owners, educating them on my product, and helping them sell
-I get a paid expense account to entertain my customers for dinners, drinks, tickets....
-I get a travel allowance to go anywhere I want as long as it is work related (Eastern Area restricted), including my trips to Columbus for the Arnold's and Vegas for the Olympia are 100% covered.
-I have unlimited access to any sports supplement my company makes
-I have $750 expensed to me monthly for automobile, $150 for mobile phone, and $100 for home phone and internet. Including 100% office supplies written off.
-I get bonuses for hitting sales targets in my area of an additional $100 monthly
-My home is my office so part of that is tax deductible
-I get to constantly meet professional athletes, bodybuilders, and MMA fighters
-I get gym memberships paid for because fitness is part of the job description
-I get 3 weeks paid vacation


Lets see if anyone can top me.

everyone in bulgaria gets 20 days paid per the labor law

[Raymone]

everyone in bulgaria gets 20 days paid per the labor law

Imagine the shock when they finally realize 20 days is shorter than 3 weeks.

[oarabbus]

Hateraid

Is there a better post workout food than gin?

Drink whiskey you freak

[dunksby]

Good for you man, a very tiny percentage get to do what they love let alone getting good bonuses along with it.

[ArbitraryWater]

primetime, bdreason, rezznor..

these gentlemen suceed at life