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NBA Legend
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Never, Kobe was the best in 2008 but still not clear cut, CP3 and Lebron had an argument that year. In 2009 Kobe was already not as good as Lebron, but a close second. In 2010 we saw Lebron being quite a few steps ahead already. Before 2008 Kobe had no argument of being the best when he led his team to 2 straight first round exits.
Never being a clear cut best player at any point of his career, is one important reason why Kobe is the consensus #12 all time, ‘Cause every other top 10 player had such a year or two, but Kobe didn’t have anything like that to prove that he’s ever a dominant player.
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JT
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Not sure if he was ever really the clear cut best player. You could definitely argue he was the BITW from 05-10, but it's not like it was indisputable. 05-07 Duncan was almost just as good, and after 08 Lebron was right up there with him. He didn't have a year like Lebron 2013 or Shaq 2000 where there was no argument for any other player to be above them.
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Banned
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
If only the league created an award that could show this. Like a valuable player award or anything. Oh well
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Bran Fam Member
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by SpaceJam2
If only the league created an award that could show this. Like a valuable player award or anything. Oh well
MVP is a team/narrative-driven award. Very rarely does a player win it for actually being the best player in the league.
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NBA Legend
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Probably 2008.
2006 and 2007 aren't exactly "clear-cut", but most fans, media and players at the time also thought Kobe was the best.
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I usually hit open layups
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
Probably 2008.
2006 and 2007 aren't exactly "clear-cut", but most fans, media and players at the time also thought Kobe was the best.
06 Wade > 06 Kobe
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Good college starter
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by Nashty
He never was.
Correct
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Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Yeah you ain’t convincing me he was better than Wade in 06, Duncan OR LeBron in 07, Paul, LeBron, Nash in 08. Yes. ****ing Nash was still better offensively than Kobe even in 08. He was a child compared to LeBron in 09, oh so quietly not better than CP3 at all in 09 either. Wash with Wade at best. No Dirk mentions in this period but he was right there hovering at Kobe levels.
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Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
He was the best player in the world in 2006 without a doubt.
Bill Simmons Ranks Kobe #1 (2006)
"You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ..."
"Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?
Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else.
Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team."
With Kobe off the floor, the 2006 lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7 points worse than the worst team in the league that year.
But with Kobe they had a 111.3 Offensive Rating that would be the 3rd best offence that year right behind the Suns and Mavs.
Also here are some of Kobe's incredible stats from that season
10 50 point games 3rd all-time only behind Wilt
2 months averaging over 40 ppg
From mid-December to early February averaged 40 ppg
Outscored the Mavs a team that made the finals by himself over three quarters.
Scored 81 points which is the 2nd most all-time
Last edited by coastalmarker99; 11-11-2021 at 04:03 AM.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by 999Guy
Yeah you ain’t convincing me he was better than Wade in 06, Duncan OR LeBron in 07, Paul, LeBron, Nash in 08. Yes. ****ing Nash was still better offensively than Kobe even in 08. He was a child compared to LeBron in 09, oh so quietly not better than CP3 at all in 09 either. Wash with Wade at best. No Dirk mentions in this period but he was right there hovering at Kobe levels.
What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?
And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?
Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.
Originally Posted by coastalmarker99
He was the best player in the world in 2006 without a doubt.
Bill Simmons Ranks Kobe #1 (2006)
"You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ..."
"Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?
Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else.
Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team."
With Kobe off the floor, the 2006 lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7 points worse than the worst team in the league that year.
But with Kobe they had a 111.3 Offensive Rating that would be the 3rd best offence that year right behind the Suns and Mavs.
Also here are some of Kobe's incredible stats from that season
10 50 point games 3rd all-time only behind Wilt
2 months averaging over 40 ppg
From mid-December to early February averaged 40 ppg
Outscored the Mavs a team that made the finals by himself over three quarters.
Scored 81 points which is the 2nd most all-time
Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.
Last edited by ImKobe; 11-11-2021 at 04:55 AM.
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Lol
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by ImKobe
What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?
And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?
Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.
Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.
You think Carmelo is comparable to LeBron lmaoooo
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Decent college freshman
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
These Kobe haters so sad lol
Lets see: Shaq implied Kobe was #1 by 2001 (i don't agree)
Was #1 in 2003 before Duncan exploded in the playoffs
Easily from 05 to 08. Everybody agreed media and peers
09 lebron himself said kobe was still ahead
10 the whole year was a marketing campaign about lebron and kobe being 1a and 1b.
It is what it is
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Lol
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
These Kobe haters so sad lol
Lets see: Shaq implied Kobe was #1 by 2001 (i don't agree)
Was #1 in 2003 before Duncan exploded in the playoffs
Easily from 05 to 08. Everybody agreed media and peers
09 lebron himself said kobe was still ahead
10 the whole year was a marketing campaign about lebron and kobe being 1a and 1b.
It is what it is
“Easily the best player” in 2005 huh?
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I am creator deity
Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
Damn these kobe haters are annoying. Wade cant even hold kobes jock strap, kobe was on a whole nother level even in 06. Wade had a good finals but thats about it
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Re: What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?
silly bronstans, kobe was the clear-cut best player in the world every year he played.
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