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01-12-2011, 03:26 AM
#166
NBA rookie of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
I'm not really even arguing. I'm saying that you can't even have this kind of argument if the team is different.
Different players + different coach = different team.
It's funny, but I don't remember Cavs fans making this argument when Miami was struggling and Cleveland was hovering around .500.
If Cleveland was the fourth seed and Miami was still struggling, do you still say "Well, but this doesn't count because it's a different team"?
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01-12-2011, 03:26 AM
#167
NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Kurosawa0
Ultimately, whether some of you like it or not, this is going to be how it will be judged. If Miami ends up with the best record in the league (or even just the East) and Cleveland is among the worst teams in the league, LeBron will forever win this argument. He still will be judged by winning or losing in Miami, but this is closing the book on what was what in Cleveland.
We can debate rosters and semantics, but at the end of the day, with LeBron Cleveland was 60+ win team. Without him, they failed to score 60 points in a game. I'm sorry, but that's how this will be played out.
Period.
What Cleveland's play has done is absolve LeBron of never winning a championship there. He'll still be judged by what he does in Miami, but nobody will ever look down on LeBron's Cavalier days again. That's history. The entire basketball world, deluded Cleveland fans and Kobe clowns excluded, now sits in complete amazement over what he accomplished their the last 2 seasons. And that sentiment will never change.
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01-12-2011, 03:29 AM
#168
The Paterfamilias
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Kurosawa0
It's funny, but I don't remember Cavs fans making this argument when Miami was struggling and Cleveland was hovering around .500.
If Cleveland was the fourth seed and Miami was still struggling, do you still say "Well, but this doesn't count because it's a different team"?
Probably not, because we wouldn't have homers running around saying that James is the greatest player ever. I wouldn't even be discussing James if it wasn't constantly thrown in my face every time the Cavs put up a horrid performance (which is often).
He is no longer a Cavalier. I don't care what he is doing down in Miami. It is the James fans that constantly feel the need to revisit this sh!t.
How many Heat game threads have I shown up in this year (either after a win or after a loss)? I don't care... I really don't. I hope they lose, but not enough to really give a sh!t.
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01-12-2011, 03:30 AM
#169
NBA rookie of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
I think the most interesting aspect of this isn't actually the basketball side.
I mean, has there ever been a player that has had this kind of impact on a team in terms of identity and self image? The Cavaliers have completely crumbled as not only a basketball team, but the entire organization seems to be a mess and they look mentally beaten down. I can't think of something else like this happening to a team because they lost a superstar.
This would make a good book or a documentary some day.
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01-12-2011, 03:33 AM
#170
NBA rookie of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
Probably not, because we wouldn't have homers running around saying that James is the greatest player ever. I wouldn't even be discussing James if it wasn't constantly thrown in my face every time the Cavs put up a horrid performance (which is often).
He is no longer a Cavalier. I don't care what he is doing down in Miami. It is the James fans that constantly feel the need to revisit this sh!t.
How many Heat game threads have I shown up in this year (either after a win or after a loss)? I don't care... I really don't. I hope they lose, but not enough to really give a sh!t.
So, then the argument only works one way? If Cleveland sucks it's more complicated than "Minus LeBron", but if Cleveland is good "LeBron Sucks"?
You can't have it both ways.
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01-12-2011, 03:34 AM
#171
NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
Different players + different coach = different team.
A couple of news faces does not constitute a different team. The core has remain unchanged. But I can see why you're desperately clinging to this. Much better than facing reality. Although LORD knows you would've been parading all over this board with anti-LeBron BS had Cleveland managed to be respectable this season.
How does it totally defeat the purpose?
Moon was a guy that provided depth off of the bench last year for the Cavs. With James leaving and no replacement provided, you don't just put a guy that is entirely incapable of starting effectively in this league into the starting lineup, you take away another bench player that added depth that the team had the previous year.
I'm a bit lost here. So you're saying Cleveland miss Moon? But he did participate in 27 games this season. If you're not saying that, then again, how would replacing him with a decent player change anything?
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01-12-2011, 03:35 AM
#172
An uglier Lamar Doom
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Kurosawa0
I think the most interesting aspect of this isn't actually the basketball side.
I mean, has there ever been a player that has had this kind of impact on a team in terms of identity and self image? The Cavaliers have completely crumbled as not only a basketball team, but the entire organization seems to be a mess and they look mentally beaten down. I can't think of something else like this happening to a team because they lost a superstar.
This would make a good book or a documentary some day.
the only other superstar of this magnitude doing this in the last 2 decades (that I can think of anyways) is Shaq. and he left behind two all stars in penny and incoming grant hill. so, I dont really think there has been a comparable situation. The heat are the closest I can think of, looking at their rosters the last couple of years. starting earl barron and quinn. But they had Wade. But the rest of that roster was utter shit. So, turnarounds can happen quickly. I hope it doesnt for the cavs (as a fan of a division rival)
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01-12-2011, 03:35 AM
#173
NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
How many Heat game threads have I shown up in this year
Plenty when they were losing from what I recall.
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01-12-2011, 03:35 AM
#174
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
LeBron your next.
This new Lakers defensive scheme is pretty hard to score on. Now, they are finally applying the type of defense teams have been doing to them. I swear it took them long enough to finally figured it out. I could have taught them this years ago. The one on one defense they been using before is the dumbest defensive scheme in the NBA, u basically have absolutely no help defense. No wonder everyone was breaking the first guy down only to find a clear path to the hole.
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01-12-2011, 03:36 AM
#175
An uglier Lamar Doom
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Kurosawa0
So, then the argument only works one way? If Cleveland sucks it's more complicated than "Minus LeBron", but if Cleveland is good "LeBron Sucks"?
You can't have it both ways.
where in the world are you hearing people (outside of KB stans) saying lebron sucks at basketball? Very classless tweet (kicking them while down really) if you ask me, but hes clearly a phenomenal player. You have never heard RBA say he sucks, of that I am sure.
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01-12-2011, 03:39 AM
#176
I hit open 5-foot jumpshots with ease
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
There are so many things wrong with that statement. Anyway, I hope Bron Bron realizes that if karma did exist, it would get around to him soon enough. You abandon a city, leave the franchise in shambles, and have the audacity to whine and laugh at someone else's sorrow.
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01-12-2011, 03:39 AM
#177
Biyombo Smash!!
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
honestly, lebron is a complete child
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01-12-2011, 03:40 AM
#178
The Paterfamilias
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Kurosawa0
So, then the argument only works one way? If Cleveland sucks it's more complicated than "Minus LeBron", but if Cleveland is good "LeBron Sucks"?
You can't have it both ways.
Who in the world ever said that LeBron sucks? It certainly wasn't me. I'm on record as saying that he is the best player in the league. I thought he was the best player by a considerable margin heading into last year's playoffs, but I'm not as sure the gap is as large as I had imagined after his no-show against the Celtics.
I still think he is the best player, however.
This whole thing really has nothing to do with how good James is, at least from my perspective. I'm just pointing out that this isn't the same team and any effort to make a direct comparison between this year's Cavaliers and last year's Cavaliers without adding qualifiers (outside of James) is either choosing not to look at the situation objectively in favor of an agenda or they just don't know the situation.
James is a great player... Don't get it twisted.
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01-12-2011, 04:14 AM
#179
5-time NBA All-Star
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by Rekindled
Nice one from LeBron
I agree with his act.They were all angry at him and they hate him.
Now he is on a winning streak and Cavs are lost without him,why don't make fun of them when they make fun of you ?
Maybe he didn't choose a best way to say "Goodbye" but Cavs fans must be grateful for many good years that they have,without him they would be just a losing (average at best) franchise
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01-12-2011, 04:23 AM
#180
Re: Lmao, Lebron laughs at the Cavs on twitter
Originally Posted by KOBEMAMBA24
There are so many things wrong with that statement. Anyway, I hope Bron Bron realizes that if karma did exist, it would get around to him soon enough. You abandon a city, leave the franchise in shambles, and have the audacity to whine and laugh at someone else's sorrow.
i think it's the cavs that owe lebron for the 7 years of fame and fortune that he brough to cleveland
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