Tainted Legacy: How do Lebron fans live with 2/7?

[LAZERUSS]

Lebron will go down as one of the biggest chokers in NBA history.

With that said it's no wonder all his fanboys are desperately trying to prop him up still while he's clearly a choker and a loser

So what did you think of Hakeem? Guy could only get to the Finals three times, and was eliminated in the first round eight times?

How about "Mr. Clutch" who went 1/9 in his Finals, and was awful in the one in which he won a ring?

How about a prime KAJ, who went to only two Finals in his first 10 seasons, and only won one?

How about Jordan in nine of his 15 seasons, including playing on a losing team five times?

How about Shaq, who played 19 seasons, won three rings as the man, and contributed to another title?

Kobe? 20 seasons, and two rings as the man? Played on teams that went 17-65, too.

Bird? Had stacked rosters his entire career, and yet only won three rings.

You can go right down the list. Unless a player absolutely chokes, as Lebron did in 2011, you can't blame him for his TEAM's shortcomings.

Jordan didn't win a ring until he had rosters that went 55-27 without him (and were certainly good enough to win a title that year.)

Russell won 11 rings with HOF-laden supporting casts his entire career. And got blown out by another "choker" when that player finally had an equal roster.

TEAM game my friend. TEAM game.

[ClipperRevival]

So what did you think of Hakeem? Guy could only get to the Finals three times, and was eliminated in the first round eight times?

How about "Mr. Clutch" who went 1/9 in his Finals, and was awful in the one in which he won a ring?

How about a prime KAJ, who went to only two Finals in his first 10 seasons, and only won one?

How about Jordan in nine of his 15 seasons, including playing on a losing team five times?

How about Shaq, who played 19 seasons, won three rings as the man, and contributed to another title?

Kobe? 20 seasons, and two rings as the man? Played on teams that went 17-65, too.

Bird? Had stacked rosters his entire career, and yet only won three rings.

You can go right down the list. Unless a player absolutely chokes, as Lebron did in 2011, you can't blame him for his TEAM's shortcomings.

Jordan didn't win a ring until he had rosters that went 55-27 without him (and were certainly good enough to win a title that year.)

Russell won 11 rings with HOF-laden supporting casts his entire career. And got blown out by another "choker" when that player finally had an equal roster.

TEAM game my friend. TEAM game.

So defensive. And it's clear to see why. Bron and Wilt are similar in how they are viewed so you need to defend Bron because that's akin to defending Wilt. The agenda is real.

[Bandito]

I'm a LeBron stan


2007- The Spurs were supposed to win
2011- i'll admit LBJ **** up
2014- Wade and Bosh played like crap
2015- Ky and Love were hurt and the Warriors were a 67 win team. The Cavs almost won game 1


i'll be ok

[3ball]

Lebron had no chance in [COLOR="DarkRed"]2015 Finals[/COLOR]

The Cavs had no chance with Lebron's defense allowing a 7 ppg role player (Iggy) to be > Curry.. Iggy averaged 17 ppg, so that's a 10 point swing.

But even WITH Lebron's defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, and even WITH Lebron shooting an abysmal 39%, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.

Not much Lebron could've done in [COLOR="DarkGreen"]2007 Finals[/COLOR]

Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:

[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals:[/COLOR][COLOR="blue"] 22 ppg on 35%[/COLOR]

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 48%[/COLOR]

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]29 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:

[COLOR="White"]....................... [/COLOR]midrange jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 3-point jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals .............[COLOR="red"]14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2[/COLOR]
Dirk 2006 WCF ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3

Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.

Lebron had no chance in [COLOR="DarkGreen"]2007 Finals[/COLOR]

Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.

Lebron had no chance in [COLOR="Navy"]2014 Finals[/COLOR]

Horseshit - Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3, because he's weak with no perseverance - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - [COLOR="Navy"]that's a 15 point swing[/COLOR].

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

[pauk]

How do Lebron fans live with him having 2 championships/2 FMVPs and having 7 EC championships/Finals appearances? Weird question.... Same way they live with him having 4 MVPs and being ranked top 3-8 all-time.... dunno...

[Gileraracer]

I'm a LeBron stan


2007- The Spurs were supposed to win
2011- i'll admit LBJ **** up
2014- Wade and Bosh played like crap
2015- Ky and Love were hurt and the Warriors were a 67 win team. The Cavs almost won game 1


i'll be ok

Excuses as always. Lebrons career is a single excuse

[pauk]

Excuses as always. Lebrons career is a single excuse

You are confusing excuse with context... something you have to consider both when somebody wins & loses to evaluate how significant/insignificant especially a championship run is win or lose.... what did the player have to work with around him, key injuries, did he perform up to his standards, what was his role / was he the alpha, what was the competition... context, something Kobetards understand, but ignore, since that bottlenecks the numerics of his rings & makes him look like he was a sidekick/was carried to 60% of his rings which unfortunately is true, he was the alpha 2 out of 5 rings, compared to 2/2 of Lebron or to the extreme 6/6 of Jordan and then when you realise he has only 1 mvp aswell you all of the sudden realise why he should never be ranked above Lebron.... If it wasnt for those 2 alpha championship runs by Kobe he would never be anywhere close to top 10... it would be just 3 sidekick rings & 1 mvp.... thats less than half of a John Havlicek career....

[Bigsmoke]

Excuses as always. Lebrons career is a single excuse

losing in the Finals supposed to be worse than losing in the earlier rounds?

Hakeem won 2 championships too but I don't see anybody calling him a loser.

[Gileraracer]

So defensive. And it's clear to see why. Bron and Wilt are similar in how they are viewed so you need to defend Bron because that's akin to defending Wilt. The agenda is real.

Great read, absolutely right

Lebron will overtake Wilt "da choker" Chamberlain as the biggest choker ever

[yarrak]

I don't understand how losing in the finals is worse than getting eliminated in the first/second round or the conference finals. That logic

[3ball]

I don't understand how losing in the finals is worse than getting eliminated in the first/second round or the conference finals. That logic

Jordan has the greatest championship frequency in the modern era:

[COLOR="Navy"]

6 rings in 15 years, or 40% championship frequency

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Compare to Lebron's championship frequency:

[COLOR="Navy"]

2/12, or 16.7%

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[k0kakw0rld]

I'm actually happy he won one. They said he weren't going to win at one point. So now that he won, haters are fishing for other reasons to hate on him. It will never end. Stop wasting your time.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron will go down as one of the biggest chokers in NBA history.

With that said it's no wonder all his fanboys are desperately trying to prop him up still while he's clearly a choker and a loser

Very easily, I have a life of my own.

[pegasus]

I hope February 7th becomes a Lebron holiday to remind us of his greatness. 2/7

If not, we'll continue to celebrate February 6th. It just won't be as festive.

[34-24 Footwork]

You are confusing excuse with context... something you have to consider both when somebody wins & loses to evaluate how significant/insignificant especially a championship run is win or lose.... what did the player have to work with around him, key injuries, did he perform up to his standards, what was his role / was he the alpha, what was the competition... context, something Kobetards understand, but ignore, since that bottlenecks the numerics of his rings & makes him look like he was a sidekick/was carried to 60% of his rings which unfortunately is true, he was the alpha 2 out of 5 rings, compared to 2/2 of Lebron or to the extreme 6/6 of Jordan and then when you realise he has only 1 mvp aswell you all of the sudden realise why he should never be ranked above Lebron.... If it wasnt for those 2 alpha championship runs by Kobe he would never be anywhere close to top 10... it would be just 3 sidekick rings & 1 mvp.... thats less than half of a John Havlicek career....

The general consensus is that Kobe was Shaqs equal for those rings and was even more essential to them making it out of the west.

He was so essential that he was INTENTIONALLY INJURED in the finals.

No amount of kicking and screaming will change history.