Better Finals performer LeBron or Jordan?

[Dray n Klay]

LeBrons career Finals stats 27/10/7

Jordans career Finals stats 33/6/6




When you consider this comparison includes LeBrons 2007 and 2011 Finals, 2 poorly performed Finals, its astonishing how LeBron is STILL statistically superior in the finals compared to MJ



Think about it, LeBron was poor in his first 2 Finals, and STILL has a career Finals average of 27/10/7




27/10/7> 33/6/6

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron also played way better teams in the Finals. It's not even close either.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Does anyone know what MJ put up against 70 win teams in the finals?

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron also played way better teams in the Finals. It's not even close either.

Exactly, Jordan stans want to compare LeBron scoring against GOAT defense Iggy, Draymond, Bogut, to Jordan scoring against the shit defense Suns and Dan Marjerle (WOAT defender)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Let's See:

MJ Opponents:

91 Lakers - 6.73
92 Blazers - 6.94
93 Suns - 6.27
96 Sonics - 7.4
97 Jazz - 7.97
98 Jazz - 5.73

Average SRS: 6.84

LBJ Opponents:
07 Spurs - 8.35
11 Mavericks - 4.41
12 Thunder - 6.44
13 Spurs - 6.67
14 Spurs - 8.00
15 Warriors - 10.01
16 Warriors - 10.38

Average SRS: 7.75

And naturally teams LeBron played had better drtgs.

[NBAGOAT]

list the ts%, almost sure Jordan is higher. That makes Jordan statistically superior most like(6ppg on better efficiency to 1apg and 3rpg) Also you can't just throw out 07 or 11 like they never existed

[RoundMoundOfReb]

list the ts%, almost sure Jordan is higher. That makes Jordan statistically superior most like(6ppg on better efficiency to 1apg and 3rpg) Also you can't just throw out 07 or 11 like they never existed

ts is about the same. both around 55% i believe.

[Dray n Klay]

Let's See:

MJ Opponents:

91 Lakers - 6.73
92 Blazers - 6.94
93 Suns - 6.27
96 Sonics - 7.4
97 Jazz - 7.97
98 Jazz - 5.73

Average SRS: 6.84

LBJ Opponents:
07 Spurs - 8.35
11 Mavericks - 4.41
12 Thunder - 6.44
13 Spurs - 6.67
14 Spurs - 8.00
15 Warriors - 10.01
16 Warriors - 10.38

Average SRS: 7.75

And naturally teams LeBron played had better drtgs.

Wait.. So LeBron both put up better stats against tougher competition?


How does Jordan have an argument in this debate?

[feyki]

.d.d.d

[Dray n Klay]

list the ts%, almost sure Jordan is higher. That makes Jordan statistically superior most like(6ppg on better efficiency to 1apg and 3rpg) Also you can't just throw out 07 or 11 like they never existed

We're not throwing out 07 or 11 (even though LeBron was only 22 in 2007 and deserves a pass)


They are included in the stats




If we removed 07 and 11 LeBrons stats would be 30/10/9 which would be >>>>> Jordan's

[RoundMoundOfReb]

We're not throwing out 07 or 11 (even though LeBron was only 22 in 2007 and deserves a pass)


They are included in the stats




If we removed 07 and 11 LeBrons stats would be 30/10/9 which would be >>>>> Jordan's

****ing GOAT

[Dray n Klay]

So LeBron


- faced tougher competition (team record and average SRS wise)

- faced tougher defenses (lower drtg teams)

- scored the same as Jordan taking pace into account

- averaged more assists

- shot a higher TS%

- grabbed 40% more rebounds

- played in the tougher perimeter zone defense era




GOAT




Jordan doesn't have an argument here


Sorry 3ball

[3ball]

LeBrons career Finals stats 27/10/7

Jordans career Finals stats 34/6/6

Jordan averaged 33.6 ppg, so that's 34 ppg, not 33.

Jordan averaged 7 more points than Lebron with nearly equal assists - Jordan's 7 more points is FAR more important than Lebron's 4 extra rebounds.

Do you really think Lebron's 4 rebounds are equal in importance to Jordan's 7 extra points?

The Cavs can find someone else to grab those rebounds - but there's no one else to score Jordan's 7 more points, because Pippen, Grant and company were already playing to full capacity - we've been over those stats before.

Btw, we also know for a fact that Jordan took far more contested shots in his 55 point game than Lebron took in Game 6 of this year's Finals (see the data here).. A contested shot is defined as when a defender leaves his feet to contest the shot - Jordan had way more of those than Lebron, whose defenders were often too late or far away to contest at all.

[Dray n Klay]

3ball Jordan's 20% scoring advantage is negated by LeBrons 20% assists advantage


They cancel out




Meanwhile LeBron is grabbing 60% more rebounds



So 20% scoring advantage = 20% assist advantage


BUT LeBron also has 60% more rebounds


That is why LeBron is a better Finals performer than MJ


Remember this is against better competition (average team SRS) and tougher defenses (drtg)




Jordan has no argument here

[scuzzy]

I'm gunna have to agree with OP on this one


Plus Jordan played in a much weaker era


Bubble bath Western teams who played no D


2016 every Finals win is earned