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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
    LMAO at Bosh "contesting" those shots at the rim.
    On his most beautiful play of the night, LeBron was actually the last line of defense and he got around him for the score. The Heat aren't a great defensive team up-front, but they are damn good on the perimeter. It isn't easy to get around those guys.

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    Thunder it DOWN, Dion! PleezeBelieve's Avatar
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    Waiters has better numbers in less minutes. He's the more impactful player. He's the more dynamic player.

    The numbers back this up.

    Waiters has played over 32 minutes in a game once in 2013. Beal has logged five straight games playing over 32 minutes a night.

    Beal is alson on a shooting steak with 3 while Waiters has been cold during the same time. With that said, Waiters has still been better than Beal during this time.

    Not to mention Waiters has clearly outplayed Beal during the two 1 on 1 matchups.

    Numbers don't lie, fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve
    Waiters has better numbers in less minutes. He's the more impactful player. He's the more dynamic player.

    The numbers back this up.

    Waiters has played over 32 minutes in a game once in 2013. Beal has logged five straight games playing over 32 minutes a night.

    Beal is alson on a shooting steak with 3 while Waiters has been cold during the same time. With that said, Waiters has still been better than Beal during this time.

    Not to mention Waiters has clearly outplayed Beal during the two 1 on 1 matchups.

    Numbers don't lie, fool.
    That's because he is a shooter.

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    Beal. Waiters will be a good player as well, i just prefer Beal.

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    just a couple random notes on dion and the cavs over the last 20 games or so;

    Waiters is averaging 14.6 points in 27.4 minutes per game with a 52.9 TS% over the past 20 games.
    The Cavaliers have the third best offensive efficiency in the month of February at 112.2 points per 100 possessions.
    Since The Jon Leuer Trade, the Cavaliers have the 4th best offense, the 2nd best AST/TO ratio and the best TOV% in the NBA.
    Dion's last 20 games:
    https://twitter.com/conradkaczmarek/...783680/photo/1

    Dion's finishing at the rim has steadily improved:
    https://twitter.com/conradkaczmarek/...135360/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/conradkaczmarek

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    both are good SGs. Kudos to chris grant for making the right selection at #4 with Dion, a kid most people thought would bust.

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    Waiters is just a more dynamic player. Beal will be the better shooter. At least Wiz fans have John Wall....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve
    Waiters has better numbers in less minutes. He's the more impactful player. He's the more dynamic player.

    The numbers back this up.

    Waiters has played over 32 minutes in a game once in 2013. Beal has logged five straight games playing over 32 minutes a night.

    Beal is alson on a shooting steak with 3 while Waiters has been cold during the same time. With that said, Waiters has still been better than Beal during this time.

    Not to mention Waiters has clearly outplayed Beal during the two 1 on 1 matchups.

    Numbers don't lie, fool.
    Beal has been rookie of the month the last two months in the East. When healthy, he's been clearly the better performer over the last two months. Thia has been explained previously, but he was destroying teams including hitting a game tying three against Brooklyn and a game winning shot against OKC, got injured in a game in Denver where he gave them 22 before he hurt his shooting wrist, and had two poor shooting games immediately after that fall on his wrist. He the sat out five games to rehab it, came back off the bench with limited minutes to work himself back into a groove, and then took off again after a few games.

    Think about it, he's shooting 50 percent from three over the last two months and that number actually includes the games he played with the bad wrist that he said affected his shooting so much that he needed to see a specialist. And I'm not sure you can call his three point shooting a hot streak when he was shooting the lights out, had his flow completely interrupted because of injury, misses time and got out of rhythm, and is shooting the lights out again.

    Also, both of their head to head match ups were very early in the year when both he and the team were struggling mightily (in fact, one of their games was the first game of the year.) Those results are meaningless, especially when you consider how much better the Wizards and Beal are playing now, and in any event, I kinda expected Waiters to come out the chute a little faster considering the fact that he's almost two years older and had the benefit of an extra college season to develop. It's a testament to Beal's ability that he's reeled him in so quickly.

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    Anyone that think Bradley Beal will be elite is falling for the hype. He's Ray Allen (Celtics), good but nothing special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
    Waiters is just a more dynamic player. Beal will be the better shooter. At least Wiz fans have John Wall....
    You're laughing at Wizards fans despite the fact that they have the same amount of wins as the Cavs in less games played, with John Wall missing half the season and tons of other injuries? They're 13-9 with Wall in the lineup, it took Kyrie 56 games to win his 18th of the season. One team is clearly trending up, the other team has fans laughing at John Wall despite that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da KO King
    Anyone that think Bradley Beal will be elite is falling for the hype. He's Ray Allen (Celtics), good but nothing special.
    Give him a second. He's 19 years old. When Ray was his age, he was still at UConn, meantime, Beal's shooting the lights out at the highest level of basketball in the world, and showing more of an expanded game every day. Against Toronto he scored off of screens, set shots, he took people off the dribble, made threes, scored in transition, facilitated, rebounded, made clutch shots etc. By the time he's 22, people are going to be shocked at how good he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
    Waiters is just a more dynamic player. Beal will be the better shooter. At least Wiz fans have John Wall....
    Sums it up best right there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthegr8
    You're laughing at Wizards fans despite the fact that they have the same amount of wins as the Cavs in less games played, with John Wall missing half the season and tons of other injuries? They're 13-9 with Wall in the lineup, it took Kyrie 56 games to win his 18th of the season. One team is clearly trending up, the other team has fans laughing at John Wall despite that fact.
    You are kidding right? Cavs have been without their (arguably) 2nd best player in Vareajo for some time now. Overall the wizards have better talent than the Cavs now. The frontline of Okafor/Nene >>> Zeller/Thompson. Outside of Kyrie being light years better than Wall already, the teams are pretty much even. Dont want to hear about how much time crazy legs Wall has missed. We have had our share of injuries too. I think if you polled people here, I think the majority would rather have the Cavs than to take the Wiz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve
    Waiters has better numbers in less minutes. He's the more impactful player. He's the more dynamic player.

    The numbers back this up.

    Waiters has played over 32 minutes in a game once in 2013. Beal has logged five straight games playing over 32 minutes a night.

    Beal is alson on a shooting steak with 3 while Waiters has been cold during the same time. With that said, Waiters has still been better than Beal during this time.

    Not to mention Waiters has clearly outplayed Beal during the two 1 on 1 matchups.

    Numbers don't lie, fool.
    numbers =/ basketball. Beal has been more efficient anyways. Plus take out beal's ridiculously bad first month and it's a whole different story. The stretch at the start of the year when Beal played poorly he had no competent point guard.


    Beal is 19 and waiters is 21 so how about we compare Beal to sophomore at Cuse Waiters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthegr8
    Give him a second. He's 19 years old. When Ray was his age, he was still at UConn, meantime, Beal's shooting the lights out at the highest level of basketball in the world, and showing more of an expanded game every day. Against Toronto he scored off of screens, set shots, he took people off the dribble, made threes, scored in transition, facilitated, rebounded, made clutch shots etc. By the time he's 22, people are going to be shocked at how good he is.
    He did all of that against one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

    Sorry but he's a off-ball SG that can not create consistently off the bounce. I have no issue with players like that but that is NOT the type of player you draft #3 overall and don't regret it in five years.

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