Michael Jordan's Vertical Revealed

[SHAQisGOAT]

In shoes he is 6ft 6... I don't see the significance of measuring without shoes here. Care to explain why? Is he not jumping with shoes?

Probably, "point" still stands, and my post wasn't remotely close to being just about that...

[SHAQisGOAT]

Stuff like this...

One would think that it takes more than a mere 38 inches to dunk from the ft line with rather ease and also hit one's head on the backboard on a block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qjd...haelJordanZone

This is MJ past his jumping prime, and is easily jumping around the low-mid 30s in this jump shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5R4...nnel=youutoobe

It appears to be legit; it's from http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1 .

His running max vert would be the second highest ever measured at the draft combine. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...ce=All&sort=12

i've never seen that picture before... must have been before he had to duck his head from hitting the rim... and he's turning sideways, contorting his body..

the original link is pretty cool... http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...f9ed25_lg.jpeg

... mean/say/prove a WHOLE lot more than bullshit like this...

Like I've said in the LeBron thread:



Around 37-40 inches.. IMO just shy of 40. Not LeBron level, but still very elite. But of course MJ fans will try to discredit Tim Grover.

... or Grover coming up with bullshit to shamelessly plug his book.


Still can't believe some people argue against Jordan having all-time elite vertical leap I mean, either you never watched him at his athletic peak, or you ain't watching the same stuff I did.

[Inactive]

What page?

Page 10, PO30. You can just hit ctrl+F, and search for "Michael Jordan".

[mehyaM24]

Stuff like this...Still can't believe some people argue against Jordan having all-time elite vertical leap I mean, either you never watched him at his athletic peak, or you ain't watching the same stuff I did.

exactly. i normally dont rag on posters, but when morons like that try to spin pictures into something they are not - thats when i have no choice but to question their intelligence.

and as you know, im not a particular fan of jordan's volume scoring - but i have little doubt he had a HIGHER vertical than '40". its just common sense.

[La Frescobaldi]

Verts are measured from standstill, not running...and they didn't even test it that way? That info sounds just as dubious.

For years and years they measured full stop, one step, and running. And they still should. Full stop vertical alone is stupid.

They did it against a wall, sometimes with a chain from the hoop and some dye on your finger, and with a volleyball pole and a stick. It was later on when they came up with those various other contraptions.

[eliteballer]

You know, I'm looking at those Jordan North Carolina numbers again, and they lead us to believe there's a 10 inch difference between his standing and running verts.

Is that believable?

[CavaliersFTW]

According to Madonna it was significantly less than Scottie Pippens.

[abuC]

3ball told me this was the most accurate representation of MJ's max vert

[Inactive]

You know, I'm looking at those Jordan North Carolina numbers again, and they lead us to believe there's a 10 inch difference between his standing and running verts.

Is that believable?

It's a large difference, but not unbelievable; ~11% of players have a greater disparity between their running and standing verts.

His standing vert was 78.5% of his running vert. That would be the 155th largest disparity between standing, and running vert, out of 1401 players whose numbers are listed on draftexpress.

It is surprising though, since during his NBA career Michael was a very good leaper off two feet, but that was usually with at least one step, or a jumpstop.

[ClipperRevival]

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...f9ed25_lg.jpeg

Seriously, can ANYONE in the history of the game jump off one foot, going sideways and get his head right at the rim like MJ did in his sideways dunk in the 1988 dunk contest? MJ just had the best set of coordination, reflexes and fluidity of movement so he just made it look easy. But he did things athletically no one else could do.

[ClipperRevival]

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...f9ed25_lg.jpeg

Seriously, can ANYONE in the history of the game jump off one foot, going sideways and get his head right at the rim like MJ did in his sideways dunk in the 1988 dunk contest? MJ just had the best set of coordination, reflexes and fluidity of movement so he just made it look easy. But he did things athletically no one else could do.

MJ is probably 6'5" without shoes. So for the top of his head to be right at the rim, he would need to jump exactly 43 inches. Assuming his head is an inch below, he did 42 inches on that jump.

But the thing is, we never saw MJ try to get his head as high as possible just for the heck of it. He only did things that meant something in the context of playing the game (in-game or in-dunk contests). I'm pretty sure he could've gotten his head ABOVE the rim if that was his sole purpose like you saw Gerald Green do in practice with the perfect head start and jumping off two feet. But all we have are in-game and in-dunk contest moments which prove he can get his head right at rim level.

[feyki]

Tim Grover bullshitting to sell his hocus pocus book. Jordan's vertical was measured in '83 when he was at UNC:

Abstract:

MICHAEL JORDAN=92S VERTICAL JUMP. =20
Krugh J, LeVeau B. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel =
Hill, NC.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced =
master=92s motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine =
Michael Jordan=92s maximum vertical jump.
=20
SUBJECT: Michael Jordan=20

METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral =
epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest, and right distal =
phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.

Tasks (in order) were:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed - baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1 hand dunk=20
Vertical reach during a 2 hand dunk

All tasks, except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of =
the upper limb(s). Equipment / instrumentation: Camera, lighting, =
markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Fetzer =
Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

DATA ANALYSIS:
Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in =
view of the camera. Displacement measurements of reach (pelvis) involved =
measurement of vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) =
during a task minus vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 =
(pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed stance. Velocity measurements were =
analyzed by dividing vertical height distance traveled divided by time =
taken for the tasks. A VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze =
motion frame by frame.

RESULTS:=20
Maximum measurements:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from standing 35.93 in.
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a jump from running 38.07 in.
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 701.00 o/sec.=20
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from running 45.76 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 1 hand dunk 41.70 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 2 hand dunk 40.93 in.

During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was with =
both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push =
from the floor was with one foot and momentum of the body, two upper =
limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.=20

CONCLUSION / CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Maximum displacement for vertical reach =
was achieved with a jump from a running start, a 2 hand dunk, a 1 hand =
dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively. This is consistent with =
use of momentum of the body and limbs to assist with the vertical =
displacement. Michael Jordan=92s vertical jump ability during several =
tasks provides a standard with which athletic achievement by others can =
be compared.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pr...rt-212070.html

So unless his vertical went from 46 to 38 then back all the way up to 48... Grover is bullshittin.

Solid post .

[Elosha]

Re-posting this from earlier in the thread. Unfortunately the third link is now dead, but I may be able find it elsewhere when I have the time.

Here's three instances where Jordan is arguably 42 or more inches on dunks.

The first is a famous alley-oop in NY in 1988:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoWl...tailpage#t=265.

If you pause at the apex of his jump at 4:29, which when his head is closest to the rim and right before he ducks his head and dunks, it looks like his head is even with the top of the rim.

The second is a rarely seen angle of Jordan's 1988 free throw line dunk. If you pause at 4 seconds, it's pretty clear the top of his head is slightly higher than the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLdxQ-_J9FI

The last jump is more ambiguous due to the angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fVAZ...ailpage#t=1080

This game is from November 1992 against Golden State. While it appears that his head is maybe an inch or two above the rim, the angle likely inflates it somewhat. So my guess is that he was near the rim, but at most even with it or perhaps just under it. Still, given how he soars over the challenging defender, it gives a pretty good idea of how explosive a leaper he was off of two feet.

[3ball]

http://i.imgur.com/pQ03uDD.gif

http://i.imgur.com/Up7Bhyb.gif

[Noyze]

The **** outta here. I'm a huge Jordan fan but calling bullshit on his 48.