"EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

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Curry's dunk from earlier this year

[Rocketswin2013]

Centers have a bigger defensive impact when compared directly to wing players, but the [COLOR="blue"]advantage they give their team relative to those wing players[/COLOR] depends on how their impact compares to other centers, not wing players.

For example, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE when his defensive impact is matched or exceeded by the opposing center.. This happened more often for him than it happened for MJ/Pippen/Lebron, since they ranked at the TOP of their position defensively, while he didn't - Shaq only achieved three 2nd team all defense in 17 years (no 1st teams).. So on average, perennial 1st team defenders like MJ/Pippen/Lebron gave their team a bigger advantage in defensive impact over the opposing wing, then Shaq's advantage over the opposing center, which means they provided their team with a bigger defensive impact.

Here's an example - look at the Ray Allen vs. Jordan DPBM comparison (-1.3 to Jordan's 1.1) and then look at Ray's teammate, center Ervin Johnson vs. Shaq (2.6 to Shaq's 1.6).. [COLOR="Navy"]Now who provided the greater defensive impact to their team?????[/COLOR]. Again, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE from his defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center.

Btw, I used the defensive boxscore stat to measure defensive impact because the verbage "defensive box score" makes it easy to conceptualize the advantage in defensive impact that a player can provide.. [COLOR="Navy"]But ANY stat/methodology could be used to measure defensive impact[/COLOR] - the main point is that we know elite defenders provided their teams with a bigger advantage in defensive impact over their matchup, then Shaq provided over his.

And the same concept applies to ANY elite defensive player that ranks higher defensively at their position than Shaq, who was not an elite defensive center.

Now obviously, MJ, Pippen and Lebron probably DON'T provide their team with a greater defensive impact than guys like Hakeem/Robinson/Mutombo - those guys were elite at their position AS WELL, and likely held a greater advantage in defensive impact over opposing centers than MJ/Pip/Lebron held over opposing wings... But not Shaq - Shaq was NOT an elite defender like Hakeem/Robinson/Mutombo, so he didn't have a larger advantage in defensive impact over opposing centers than MJ/Pippen/Lebron have over opposing wings.

Shaq was lazy with poor work ethic and only made three 2nd team all defense in 17 years (no 1st teams).. Consequently, his teams were never great defensive teams - they ranked in the league's top 6 only 1 time in 15 years thru his Miami days, and top 10 only 7 times in 15 years.

There's no guarantee that if you drafted Shaq over Jordan, your team would be better defensively - infact, it's the opposite - Shaq's teams were far worse defensively over the course of his career than Jordan's, even though Shaq had all-pro defenders Eddie Jones, Kobe, Wade and Horace Grant (in 1995 and 1996).

He also had Alonzo Mourning in 2006, who led the Heat bench (2.7 blocks in 20 minutes).. In 2001, his team had the 21st ranked defense despite being stacked defensively with all-pro defender Kobe and other solid defenders like Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, and Horace Grant (he started every game).
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[k0kakw0rld]

eye test is the ultimate measure, for instance, this: https://youtu.be/TR7OpShULUg?t=114 doesnt make the top 30

Eye test shows me that this isn't top 10 at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA

[Pushxx]

I like how 3ball is like an airplane that just shits his little rant on every thread like planes spray the fields with pesticides. Just need someone to actually spray him with pesticide so he goes away.

[warriorfan]

Eye test confirms k0kakworld is a huge fakkit

[k0kakw0rld]

Seems like a word you like to use a lot. Coming out of the closet to find your family? I ain't related to your fakkit ass, go fish elsewhere.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Seems like a word you like to use a lot. Coming out of the closet to find your family? I ain't related to your fakkit ass, go fish elsewhere.

What?

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We've seen Curry Shatter the eye test time after time but I also think we need to agree that D-wade passes the eye test by a huge margin just like Dirk, KG.

[PsychoBe]

What?

i'm not sure what's going on here but have you watched iron-blooded orphans? i can't remember if i ever mentioned it to you yet but you should really look at it.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

i'm not sure what's going on here but have you watched iron-blooded orphans? i can't remember if i ever mentioned it to you yet but you should really look at it.

Will get to it tonight. I watched all the released episodes of erased last night.


Feel

Really good show.

Have u watched it?

[PsychoBe]

Will get to it tonight. I watched all the released episodes of erased last night.


Feel

Really good show.

Have u watched it?

oh yea definitely. it's even top 5 now on myanimelist lol. it's really one of the best shows i've ever seen though.

i haven't found much more anime to watch, although the latest episode of naruto shippuden is really good because they are starting to go over itachi's past and they went all out with the animation budget just for him.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

oh yea definitely. it's even top 5 now on myanimelist lol. it's really one of the best shows i've ever seen though.

i haven't found much more anime to watch, although the latest episode of naruto shippuden is really good because they are starting to go over itachi's past and they went all out with the animation budget just for him.

I'm gonna w8 to see how it pans out before I declare it one of the Goats but i t might get there.

Do you think it's the teacher? It's way too obvious for it to be him. I think the teacher is smoke screen the author is using.

[PsychoBe]

I'm gonna w8 to see how it pans out before I declare it one of the Goats but i t might get there.

Do you think it's the teacher? It's way too obvious for it to be him. I think the teacher is smoke screen the author is using.

i think it is the teacher, but the real problem is that even knowing it's the teacher for all this time doesn't really help because we don't know how he's getting away with it. finding a way to stop him is the most important thing.

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i think it is the teacher, but the real problem is that even knowing it's the teacher for all this time doesn't really help because we don't know how he's getting away with it. finding a way to stop him is the most important thing.

What do u think the red in the eye means?

MC had it when he was about to push the abused girls mother down those stairs. Maybe malice or evil intent?

[PsychoBe]

What do u think the red in the eye means?

MC had it when he was about to push the abused girls mother down those stairs. Maybe malice or evil intent?

yea it's just malice/evil intent. i dont think it's anything significant.

although the biggest shock was finding out that hiromi was a boy all this time. and then he held satoru's hand which was funny to me. satoru even stared at his own hand for a moment after it happened too lol