Jeff Teague is more athletic than John Wall

[DevilsAssassin]

I used the word arguably. You guys have 3 seasons of material to gauge Rose and 1 season of a banged up John Wall who had multiple injuries and played through them Kobe style for the most part.

John Wall is an incredible circus shot finisher at the rim just like Rose is.... and people will see soon enough when they get a bigger sample size.

Even after Derrick Rose 1st season, he was already crowed the most athletic PG the league has ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqUets688Vo

Derrick Rose No Step Vert 34.5.....Max Vert 40
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Rose-1068/

John Wall No Step Vert 30......Max Vert 39
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

Keep in mind Derrick Rose is just 6'2, while John Wall is 6'5. He grew an inch according to a number of sources.

[DMVLeGenD]

Even after Derrick Rose 1st season, he was already crowed the most athletic PG the league has ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqUets688Vo

Derrick Rose No Step Vert 34.5.....Max Vert 40
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Rose-1068/

John Wall No Step Vert 30......Max Vert 38
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

Keep in mind Derrick Rose is just 6'2, while John Wall is 6'5. He grew an inch according to a number of sources.

Wall's max vert is 39', not 38', but I agree that Rose has better body control, but Wall is no slouch in that area.

Like I said, Rose might be the only PG in the league that's more athletic than Wall. I think Wall has more pure speed than Rose, but Rose is better at every other athletic dimension.

And LOL @ people calling Wall's athleticism "overrated" after the combine.

[Clippersfan86]

Honestly I'd probably take Wall over ANY player in the league as my franchise player probably. His natural gifts at playing PG amaze me. I mean on Sports Science the guy was throwing no look passes through tires from like 30 feet away and other crazy things.

Never again in our life will we see another 6'5 PG with this athleticism, these incredible PG instincts and this basketball IQ all combined. He's as rare as any player I've seen.

BTW yes this means I'd take Wall over Griffin. I honestly would trade Griffin for Wall straight up.

[DevilsAssassin]

Vince says hi, how are you this evening.

I wrote body control......not athleticism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2lXNu2zdY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8EzJgOD7WQ

How are those for Wall's body control?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXN4nsT3BY

How's this for Wall's speed and body control combined?

Wall is on Rose's level and it's not even a question to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnSaJhh-Fs

please

[Ikill]

BTW about a month or two ago Chauncey Billups said nobody matches Wall's speed and quickness besides Derrick Rose MAYBE. Yes he threw in maybe too. BTW lol at saying Teague has better body control. Wall is arguably better than Rose when it comes to impossible finishes in the lane over defenders. The guy is amazing to watch when he slashes to the hoop.

Walls quickness is not good its okay i guess. The whole bolded part is just wrong unless Wall is in transtion he doesn't do much in terms of slashing to the hoop. Teague creates more separation on his drives and dunks on more people.

[Rnbizzle]

Walls quickness is not good its okay i guess. The whole bolded part is just wrong unless Wall is in transtion he doesn't do much in terms of slashing to the hoop. Teague creates more separation on his drives and dunks on more people.

You're delusional bro.

[DMVLeGenD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnSaJhh-Fs

please

I can do that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFT2Yktz2vo

[Clippersfan86]

Even after Derrick Rose 1st season, he was already crowed the most athletic PG the league has ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqUets688Vo

Derrick Rose No Step Vert 34.5.....Max Vert 40
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Rose-1068/

John Wall No Step Vert 30......Max Vert 38
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

Keep in mind Derrick Rose is just 6'2, while John Wall is 6'5. He grew an inch according to a number of sources.

Players improve their verts, strength etc at the NBA level dude. Combine numbers are a good starting point, nothing more. Regardless of who's got the better vert Wall is an equal ALL AROUND athlete. Combine is the wrong thing to use to show Rose's superiority over Wall because they were extremely similar in a lot of ways. The scouts at the combine compared them.

[DevilsAssassin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnSaJhh-Fs

please

I can do that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFT2Yktz2vo[/QUOTE]

so are you telling me Wall got up higher than Rose?

please watch that Derrick Rose video clip again

[Clippersfan86]

I wrote body control......not athleticism




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnSaJhh-Fs

please

I don't get it. Am I supposed to believe they aren't on the same level because of this vid? They are as close as you can get athletically and I'm showing you that with videos of my own. This 360 doesn't make me say OMG Rose>Wall because Wall has plenty of similar shots.

[Ikill]

By the way quickness is the most important and useful part of a gaurds athleticism FACT.

[Clippersfan86]

I can do that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFT2Yktz2vo

so are you telling me Wall got up higher than Rose?

please watch that Derrick Rose video clip again[/QUOTE]

So now vertical is everything? They are within a couple inches of each other vert wise, maybe even equal right now. When it comes to the overall athlete... both are elite, world class and on the same level. Neither is clearly better than the other like you're making it seem.

[DMVLeGenD]

Walls quickness is not good its okay i guess. The whole bolded part is just wrong unless Wall is in transtion he doesn't do much in terms of slashing to the hoop. Teague creates more separation on his drives and dunks on more people.

You kind of have of point. He's a blur in transition, but he can't always get by people in the half-court, but that's mostly because he doesn't have the tightest handle and plays with a high center of gravity. If he worked on his handle and bent at the waist just a little, he would be truly UNSTOPPABLE in the half court.

And Teague might dunk more on people, but that doesn't mean he's more explosive. Wall just isn't as fierce going to the rim, and usually tries to twist his body around for a layup in traffic instead of trying to throw down on someone, but I'm sure he could do the same dunks Teague can.

[DevilsAssassin]

I don't get it. Am I supposed to believe they aren't on the same level because of this vid? They are as close as you can get athletically and I'm showing you that with videos of my own. This 360 doesn't make me say OMG Rose>Wall because Wall has plenty of similar shots.

you said John Wall athleticism was superior or arguably the best in the league.....and i'm correcting you. Derrick Rose is superior in that department.

[Clippersfan86]

you said John Wall athleticism was superior or arguably the best in the league.....and i'm correcting you. Derrick Rose is superior in that department.

Haha quote me on it then because that's a lie. I said Wall is ARGUABLY better when it comes to finishing circus shots inside. Never said he had superior athleticism. I know I wouldn't say that because I think they are as close as it gets athletically as I said a sec ago.