Is there actually a way to guage if a makes others better or not??

[NZStreetBaller]

I personally believe that players just improve on their own. Or mechanics atleast. Not some special aura that players have in others
And statistics alone cannot dictate wether or not a certain player has a positive or negative effect on their performance.

We go on and on about this crap of players making others better. and i seriously do not thinks its the case at all.

[JohnFreeman]

Nash made those Suns players a lot of money

[FreezingTsmoove]

Win loss. Team record after players departure

Look at Jason Kidd with the Mavs and Knicks in his late stages of his career

Josh McRoberts led the league in passes thrown when he was with the Hornets. Next year after he was traded they missed the playoffs and had one of the worst offenses

[TrueBlue89]

Lebron, Harden, Kidd, Bird, Magic Nash Curry, Westbrook, Pippen are all players that make their teammates better. Players like Melo, Wilkins, Iverson, Jordan, Kobe just aren't capable.

[NZStreetBaller]

A player (especially a distributor) can contribute to getting teammates open looks but its not like they're better. They're just getting the open looks they wanted. Like i said. Mechanics.

[GrapeApe]

I don't think it means that a player literally makes another player better, but they can enhance teammates' stats by creating opportunities for easy scores, open looks, transition buckets, etc....This is especially true for role players and and players who struggle to create their own shot. Personally I think it's an overused phrase and basically a cliche, however there are time it does have some merit.

[stalkerforlife]

Titles.

Titles are proof.

[kennethgriffin]

well sure


if a teammate goes from averaging 24/11 to 16/6 ... he's making them worse

if a teammate goes from averaging 26/13 to 16/9... he's making them worse

[SouBeachTalents]

well sure


if a teammate goes from averaging 24/11 to 16/6 ... he's making them worse

if a teammate goes from averaging 26/13 to 16/9... he's making them worse

Or they're just going from first options on terrible teams to third options on championship contenders

[GrapeApe]

Lebron, Harden, Kidd, Bird, Magic Nash Curry, Westbrook, Pippen are all players that make their teammates better. Players like Melo, Wilkins, Iverson, Jordan, Kobe just aren't capable.

Yeah, tell that to guys like Paxson and Kerr. Pippen as well to a lesser degree. Jordan created TONS of open looks for teammates.

[kennethgriffin]

Or they're just going from first options on terrible teams to third options on championship contenders

pau gasol: 1st option ( 02-07 ) = 18/8

pau gasol: 2nd option ( 08-11 ) = 18/9

pau gasol: 3rd option ( 2012 ) = 17/10


when you play with guys who let others get theirs without forcing them out of their comfort zone. they can produce as if they were the 1st option

[stalkerforlife]

pau gasol: 1st option ( 02-07 ) = 18/8

pau gasol: 2nd option ( 08-11 ) = 18/9

pau gasol: 3rd option ( 2012 ) = 17/10

[SouBeachTalents]

pau gasol: 1st option ( 02-07 ) = 18/8

pau gasol: 2nd option ( 08-11 ) = 18/9

pau gasol: 3rd option ( 2012 ) = 17/10


when you play with guys who let others get theirs without forcing them out of their comfort zone. they can produce as if they were the 1st option

Oh, didn't know Gasol was a third option

[kennethgriffin]

Oh, didn't know Gasol was a third option

2012

kobe = 28ppg
bynum = 18ppg
gasol = 17ppg




if only they still had phil to keep bynum from going nuts ... and if only gasol was healthy in the playoffs... owell

[Akrazotile]

Yes.

If his name is Kobe, Westbrook, or Carmelo, then he doesnt.

If it's not, he does.