So Prime Shaq > Wade and Bosh combined?

[dubeta]

Shaq + Horry + Fox + Fisher > Almost any other supporting cast you'll find out there

These won the title in 2000 with Kobe as a young player who wasn't even a great player yet, and only put up 15 ppg. He was also injured in the Finals yet they still won.

True, i think thats the key difference

LeBron had a mediocre supporting cast, while Kobe was the supporting cast.

[Wade's Rings]

Prime Shaq is more alpha than Wade and Bosh combined.

So Kobe had far more help than Lebron and did less with more, good to know.

[pastis]

put shaq years away, kobe still passed through 16 50 win teams during the playoffs

but both kobe and lebron are just all time greats. imo is lebron just more of an all around player and is more dominant

[Yao Ming's Foot]

True, i think thats the key difference

LeBron had a mediocre supporting cast, while Kobe was the supporting cast.

The best player in the most vital game of the playoffs...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006040LAL.html

[Wade's Rings]

put shaq years away, kobe still passed through 16 50 win teams during the playoffs

but both kobe and lebron are just all time greats. imo is lebron just more of an all around player and is more dominant

Without Shaq he's beaten 9-12 50+ Teams.

[pastis]

Without Shaq he's beaten 9-12 50+ Teams.

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

[Wade's Rings]

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

Agreed

[DonDadda59]

So Kobe had far more help than Lebron and did less with more, good to know.

Bean WAS the help.



"Ok Boss. Get ya anything else Mr. Shaq suh?"

[sportjames23]

This is a new low even for ISH.

No such thing as too low for Lebron stans. Hell, one recently said MJ only marginally improved the Bulls.

[swagga]

peak shaq > wade/duncan/kobe/bron/jordan/magic/bird/kaj/wilt/russell/hakeem/etc

motivated peak shaq is in its own tier. and I hate this oversized retarded asshole with a passion.

[Out_In_Utah]

Is this finally an ISH consensus??

This was always truth. Doesn't mean LeBron doesn't require stacked teams and/or weak East to win.

[stephanieg]

Old Shaq dominated prime Bosh.

[rzp]

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

And LJ have like... 10 more seasons to beat that

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Shaq with a Kobe work ethic and the longetivity of Karl Malone could have pulled a Bill Russell type of career- 10 to 11 champinonships.

You know you're an insanely gifted NBA player if 1 MVP, 4 championship rings, 3 F MVP can be considered underachieving based on what "you" could have been.

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq with a Kobe work ethic and the longetivity of Karl Malone could have pulled a Bill Russell type of career- 10 to 11 champinonships.

You know you're an insanely gifted NBA player if 1 MVP, 4 championship rings, 3 F MVP can be considered underachieving based on what "you" could have been.

Shaq's longevity is underrated on this board. He was an elite player from his rookie season through his first year in Miami, a span of 13 years. Malone has maybe 2-3 seasons more of elite production than Shaq did. Do agree about the work ethic though