MJ never beat a Super Team......LeBron did.

[joshwake]

Cowherd is a good source for what not to believe, basically a Boussard of radio.

[Da_Realist]

Who actually believes Lebron would have beaten the 80's Pistons and Celtics from 86-90? All the MJ hate ends up really doing a disservice to two of the smartest, most physical, deep and competitive teams of all time.

Beating 16 Golden State is overrated. KD and Westbrook almost did it and they don't know how to win big games. That's not to say it wasn't a tremendous accomplishment because GSW were the favorites by far but they had flaws that would have been exposed far sooner than the conference finals if they played in the 80's and 90's.

[LeBird]

This entire post is full of cringe. "Space Jam!" "Mcdonalds!" You need better material guy

And I sound like a "dumbass" for suggesting that one of the GREATEST teams in basketball history would beat another superteam in the 80s, non champ or otherwise? Detroit, Philly, LA, and Boston even during years they fell short and were never talked about as ATGs...are somehow superior to one of the greatest teams in modern sports. F*cking idiot.

It was a great team relative to its era and for the titles it won it will be considered one of the greatest.

But you're on crack if you think they were as good as the 80s Celtics or Lakers. Those teams had too many star players. Because their era was much stronger and had deeper rosters. The people who always think the 90s Bulls could take those teams are those who think rainbows come out of Jordan's ass and that he'd make the difference. He isn't - especially against pass-first superstars that share the rock naturally, as opposed to needing a system devised for it.

Is it impossible for the Bulls to beat them? No. It could happen, they were a great team, as I've said, but likely? Nope. I think the Sixers would beat the Bulls TBH, they were stacked as all hell as well.

As far as Golden State/OKC and their depth goes? Its a non-argument. OKC had more depth and were a worse version of the Bulls; they not only lost BUT choked in historical fashion. The Warriors lost to a less talented Cleveland squad by letting one player take their will from them. Top-to-bottom "talent" is overrated.

OKC lost to the GOAT. Only one player has turned around a 3-1 series in the finals, and that against a 73 win team. It's the team that was the champion of the conference containing the Spurs and OKC teams which would have been the best competition the Bulls could have faced if we had a time machine.

But talking probability is one thing. Talking certainty, as you were, is for idiots.

[G0ATbe]

Since when is beating a superteam impressive when you're playing on one at the same time?

[LeBird]

Coming back from 3-1 is great. Isn't it a knock for being down 3-1 in the first place though? Especially when GS's best players weren't really even playing well? Are you holding it against Jordan for not coming back 3-1 in the Finals, when in all of his Finals he never let it get to that point?

Jordan has won multiple series as an underdog. So has Lebron. Jordan never lost as a favorite. Lebron has lost as a favorite multiple times though.

Nah, is it a disgrace to be losing 3-1 to the greatest regular season team in history, reigning champions and one of the most stacked teams of all time? No, it isn't. Even losing against them is no shame - and no one really favored LeBron or the Cavs.

I'm not holding it against Jordan that he didn't let it get to that point...because the teams he faced wouldn't make the finals in this day and age. Maybe one of them, by luck, but not regularly. Heck, even then, they were inconsistent.

What I know of Jordan is that despite his gaudy numbers, despite playing for weaker teams, he made little difference. Not only did he get continually swept by the Celtics, for example, he couldn't win 1 game. He barely improved the regular season records of his team. Can you even imagine LeBron going to the worst team in the NBA and not improving them at least 20 games? Can you imagine him leaving a team and it only being 2 games worse in the RS? Come on.

There's a reason Lebron has been the underdog as much as he's been. Its because fans/media expect less from him. Its highly doubtful that Jordan-led teams on the level of what Lebron has played with since 2011 would've ever been underdogs going into the Finals. The expectations for Lebron as a whole really went down after 3 straight years of disappointing losses, including some chokejobs, from 2009-2011. In addition, other then 2013, his teams since 2011 have all underachieved in the regular season (after overachieving in his first stint in Cleveland), creating this illusion that they are significantly less talented then their Finals opponents, thus creating this underdog status. Cleveland was less talented then Golden State, but not really by much, and definitely not as much as their regular season record difference would indicate. The talent difference between Jordan's teams that he lost with and the opponent were definitely greater then the talent difference between Cleveland and GS this year, so that comparison is misleading.

No, the reason is because he's been, bar maybe a couple seasons, on teams worse than other teams. Whereas from 90 and beyond, Jordan played for the heavy favorites...he was playing for the most stacked team. That's the difference. The rest of your post is nonsensical revisionism.

what if i told you that those 90s teams were actually pretty stacked but looked weak because of how great MJ was?

The most 'stacked' were the Jazz with an ageing Malone and Stockton who were better in the previous decade. Today, that team probably is of a similar level to the Los Angeles Clippers, if not worse. People actually argue that the Sonics were great...they had Kemp and Payton

[DirkNowitzki41]

"Boston and Detroit owned MJ when they were in their prime......MJ got revenge once those teams got old.

Sonics and Suns?? They never won anything.

Cowherd tells it like it is in the video.......LeBron already beat a super team....MJ never did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uwtKRtCFA

This is why LeBron James is a top three GOAT RIGHT NOW. At age 31... Most likely retiring as the GOAT.

This epic 2016 ring puts him in rare air. Most incredible championship of all time, and this is coming from someone who went through the 2011 playoff ride.

[Da_Realist]

Cowherd is such a clown. His agenda is so obvious. He says Jordan never beat the Pistons or Lakers in their prime and only beat them when they got old, but you'll never hear him mention that Lebron never beat the Celtics or Spurs in their prime and only beat them when they got older not to mention he had to leave and form his own super team to do so.

I stopped listening to Colin Cowherd a few years ago. He had Drexler on his show to talk about the Dream Team special that was about to air (30 for 30). He kept asking Drexler about MJ and was getting frustrated because Drexler was telling him MJ was a great, great player. So Colin started asking him leading questions to force Drexler to say MJ was overrated and that he (Drexler) was just as good. Drexler kept dodging the agenda but the unfair, biased, attention-seeking interview style was the last straw for me. I hadn't listened to him since.

MJ is a cash cow for someone like Cowherd. Cowherd needs listeners to be passionate about his show. MJ has rabid fans that will defend him against any criticism. That's a perfect storm. Denigrate MJ and you're guaranteed a passionate show, ratings and visibility. Bird fans or Magic fans would disagree but they will keep it within the basketball community (real fans). Criticize MJ and little kids, grandmothers, martians, everybody will come out.

[juju151111]

This is why LeBron James is a top three GOAT RIGHT NOW. At age 31... Most likely retiring as the GOAT.

This epic 2016 ring puts him in rare air. Most incredible championship of all time, and this is coming from someone who went through the 2011 playoff ride.

The Pistons wasn't old when they beat them. Isiah,dumars, and rodman were still in their 20s.

[Magic 32]

So how do you become a superteam?

By winning XX number of games? (2015 Spurs?)

By having 3-4 all-stars? (2014-15 Hawks)

This is what a "superteam" should be defined as:

A superteam is made up of 3-4 all-stars, with at least 3 players who could lead a bad team to the playoffs by themselves (meaning they had to be seperated first to prove this fact).

Lebron. Yes

Wade: Yes

Bosh: Yes


Curry? Yes

Klay? Maybe

Green? Nope

So the Warriors only became a superteam when Durant was added. Let see of Lebron can beat that team. I doubt it.

[k0kakw0rld]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league

He never done that because he knew he simply couldn't come back and win like LeBron did?

[Magic 32]

Duncan = 7 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2016)

Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)

Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)

Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)

Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)

Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)

Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)

Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011)

Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)

Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)

Russell = 1 (1958)

MJ = 0

[Hey Yo]

So how do you become a superteam?

By winning XX number of games? (2015 Spurs?)

By having 3-4 all-stars? (2014-15 Hawks)

This is what a "superteam" should be defined as:

A superteam is made up of 3-4 all-stars, with at least 3 players who could lead a bad team to the playoffs by themselves (meaning they had to be seperated first to prove this fact).

Lebron. Yes

Wade: Yes

Bosh: Yes


Curry? Yes

Klay? Maybe

Green? Nope

So the Warriors only became a superteam when Durant was added. Let see of Lebron can beat that team. I doubt it.

Having 3 All NBA players(plus Green's All-NBA defense nod), 2 of the top 6 three point shooters in the league, the best 3pt shooting team in the league, top scorer in the league on a 73 win team, with the reigning Finals MVP, in the "bloodbath West" isn't a super team........ until the leagues 2nd leading scorer and top 3 player joins them????

Great thinking

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It was a great team relative to its era and for the titles it won it will be considered one of the greatest.

No. They're just great, period.

And widely regarded as so.
http://www.nba.com/features/9596bulls_bestever.html

But you're on crack if you think they were as good as the 80s Celtics or Lakers.

Pure idiocy. You do know one of those "80s Laker teams" lost to the f*cking Rockets, who were NEVER regarded as an ATG team...right?

OKC lost to the GOAT. Only one player has turned around a 3-1 series in the finals, and that against a 73 win team. It's the team that was the champion of the conference containing the Spurs and OKC teams which would have been the best competition the Bulls could have faced if we had a time machine.

But talking probability is one thing. Talking certainty, as you were, is for idiots.

Wait...so now LeBron is GOAT? Guy doesn't have the accomplishments to even be in the conversation, and coming back from 3-1, one series, does not put him there either.

Quit asking people to stop talking in "certainties" when you're doing it now. Like, at least be cognizant of your self awareness.