Guys like Iggy, Pippen, Odom, Manu are real sidekicks

**sammichoffate** · 09-26-2019, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents

Why are y'all nikka's giving this dude serious answers

By responding to such obvious troll threads, you only give him motivation to continue making them

This, nearly all the threads on this godforsaken site are his or his alts.

**RRR3** · 09-26-2019, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by sammichoffate

This, nearly all the threads on this godforsaken site are his or his alts.

This isn’t dubeta/Dray n Klay/etc this is Starface/akrazotile

**3ball** · 09-26-2019, 09:21 PM

Why can't people understand that if Lebron doesn't fit with a certain player, that's HIS fault for not having the game to fit with them?.. It's a knock that he's only elite with a live dribble (ball-dominance), and therefore only fits well with spot-up shooters.

Of course, people will say "who else would you rather have the ball?"

The answer is "anyone" because players actually control the game more by FINISHING many possessions, thereby personally controlling the result, aka being the judge, jury, and executioner of the possession...

Look at MJ - he got up more shot attempts and controlled games more by finishing as many possessions as possible - this method controlled games more than being the dribbler all the time... similarly, when Curry is at his best, he controls the game by FINISHING many possessions

In addition to controlling the game more, finishing possessions lets teammates pass you the ball, which helps their playmaking - Wade or Kyrie can play to their strength as ball-handlers, or Bosh/Love can be real threats before letting lebron "close" the possession

Ultimately, this skill deficit (Lebron's lack of play-finishing off-ball) puts a ceiling on his teams, since only shooters excel alongside his dribbling, while also limiting Lebron's ability to control possessions/games

Being able to control games by handling the rock AND selectively finishing possessions when needed (and it might be needed a lot) controls games better than only being the dribbler - it controls games better while also allowing a superior brand where everyone gets to move the ball, rather than 1 guy dribbling.. this skill gap (dribbling vs a mix of dribbling and finishing) is the difference between 3/9 and 6/6

**FultzNationRISE** · 09-26-2019, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by 3ball

Why can't people understand that if Lebron doesn't fit with a certain player, that's HIS fault for not having the game to fit with them?.. It's a knock that he's only elite with a live dribble (ball-dominance), and therefore only fits well with spot-up shooters.

Of course, people will say "who else would you rather have the ball?"

The answer is "anyone" because players actually control the game more by FINISHING many possessions, thereby personally controlling the result, aka being the judge, jury, and executioner of the possession...

Look at MJ - he got up more shot attempts and controlled games more by finishing as many possessions as possible - this method controlled games more than being the dribbler all the time... similarly, when Curry is at his best, he controls the game by FINISHING many possessions

In addition to controlling the game more, finishing possessions lets teammates pass you the ball, which helps their playmaking - Wade or Kyrie can play to their strength as ball-handlers, or Bosh/Love can be real threats before letting lebron "close" the possession

Ultimately, this skill deficit (Lebron's lack of play-finishing off-ball) puts a ceiling on his teams, since only shooters excel alongside his dribbling, while also limiting Lebron's ability to control possessions/games

Being able to control games by handling the rock AND selectively finishing possessions when needed (and it might be needed a lot) controls games better than only being the dribbler - it controls games better while also allowing a superior brand where everyone gets to move the ball, rather than 1 guy dribbling.. this skill gap (dribbling vs a mix of dribbling and finishing) is the difference between 3/9 and 6/6

You're missing the point completely.

LeHung James played the hardest run of Finals opponents in NBA history, and he's got more titles than Hakeem. More FMVPs than Kobe. Greater numbers than Jordan.

Nobody is making excuses. Lebron doesnt NEED to make excuses. He HAS achieved. His accolades have been EARNED, NOT GIVEN.

But the point is he did all of this with a sub-optimal cast of players, compared to what other Top 14 players had to work with. By far sub-optimal. And against the greatest series of Finals opponents anyone has ever faced.

Get it??

**3ball** · 09-26-2019, 09:27 PM

Why can't people understand that if Lebron doesn't fit with a certain player, that's HIS fault for not having the game to fit with them?.. It's a knock that he's only elite with a live dribble (ball-dominance), and therefore only fits well with spot-up shooters.

Of course, people will say "who else would you rather have the ball?"

The answer is "anyone" because players actually control the game more by FINISHING many possessions, thereby personally controlling the result, aka being the judge, jury, and executioner of the possession...

Look at MJ - he got up more shot attempts and controlled games more by finishing as many possessions as possible - this method controlled games more than being the dribbler all the time... similarly, when Curry is at his best, he controls the game by FINISHING many possessions

In addition to controlling the game more, finishing possessions lets teammates pass you the ball, which helps their playmaking - Wade or Kyrie can play to their strength as ball-handlers, or Bosh/Love can be real threats before letting lebron "close" the possession

Ultimately, this skill deficit (Lebron's lack of play-finishing off-ball) puts a ceiling on his teams, since only shooters excel alongside his dribbling, while also limiting Lebron's ability to control possessions/games

Being able to control games by handling the rock AND selectively finishing possessions when needed (and it might be needed a lot) controls games better than only being the dribbler - it controls games better while also allowing a superior brand where everyone gets to move the ball, rather than 1 guy dribbling.. this skill gap (dribbling vs a mix of dribbling and finishing) is the difference between 3/9 and 6/6

For example, Pippen is a non-shooting ball-handler - the worst fit for Lebron's dribble skillset - so lebron would have zero rings with pip and it's unlikely pip develops into a HOF.
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**FultzNationRISE** · 09-26-2019, 09:29 PM

You're missing the point completely.

LeHung James played the hardest run of Finals opponents in NBA history, and he's got more titles than Hakeem. More FMVPs than Kobe. Greater numbers than Jordan.

Nobody is making excuses. Lebron doesnt NEED to make excuses. He HAS achieved. His accolades have been EARNED, NOT GIVEN.

But the point is he did all of this with a sub-optimal cast of players, compared to what other Top 14 players had to work with. By far sub-optimal. And against the greatest series of Finals opponents anyone has ever faced.

Get it??

**3ball** · 09-26-2019, 10:50 PM