Scottie Pippen is the most Overrated AND Underrated player ever

[Bigsmoke]

@ the notion that the media would have given the finals MVP to someone other than their favorite sports darling of all-time MJ if the Bulls won.

How could he finish top 3 in MVP

Peja Stojakovic finished fourth in MVP voting before too.

[White Chocolate]

Doesn't matter, he wasn't good enough to get finals mvp. He wasn't good enough to finish top 3 in MVP voting more than once. He was overrated. He should be compared to guys like Michael Redd, John Salmons, etc.

MJ would have had to either 1)Average < 20 PPG, or 2)Not play at all, in order for Pip to win Finals MVP.

[Roundball_Rock]

According to this guy Cedric Maxwell>Oscar Robertson because Maxwell won a finals MVP.

Peja Stojakovic finished fourth in MVP voting too.

That scrub was second in the league in scoring while shooting 43% on three's to lead a team without an injured Webber to 55 wins. He deserved to be 4th that season. Of course, what happened to him after that? He was a one hit wonder as far as being an elite player.

To be fair, with the possible exception of 91 (where he played great and played nice D on Magic), Pippen never really played good enough in any of the other 5 finals series to win the Finals MVP over Jordan. I do believe Rodman and Jordan should have been co-finals MVP's in 96 though.

According to MJ, Pip deserved the finals MVP in 98'.

[andgar923]

Here's the thing.

MJ fans have never diminished Pip.

Its Kobe STANS that elevate Pip to grandiose levels, in order to make a case that Kobe is better than MJ.

So when you have somebody that's basically saying, Pip is responsible for the Bulls' victories of course people are gonna immediately laugh at them and point out Pippen's shortcomings. And rightfully say, "MJ made Pip" because well........ HE DID.

Most of us agree that Pip is one of, if not the best perimeter defender of all time.

I don't think anybody has ever denied that.

Most of us have admitted that Pip is the best sidekick of all time.

I don't see that as underrating him.

Now..... these are the FACTS.

MJ never won without Pip, but Pip never won without MJ.

However......

Shaq was Shaq before Kobe came into the picture.
Shaq went to the Finals before Kobe came into the picture.
Shaq WON without Kobe.

Kobe will win his first ring without Shaq.

But he'll be doing it with possibly the best center in the league (at the very least top 3), and one of the best players period. A player that had been an all star 'before' he came to the Lakers, a player that led a mediocre team to the playoffs.

[Torious]

In the spirit of the thread, I'd like to call this the stupidest AND best thread ever.

[Duncan21formvp]

Peja Stojakovic finished fourth in MVP voting before too.

[Roundball_Rock]

Its Kobe STANS that elevate Pip to grandiose levels, in order to make a case that Kobe is better than MJ.

That makes no sense. What does Pippen being a great player have to do with Kobe? MJ stans have never explained this faulty logic.

[andgar923]

In the spirit of the thread, I'd like to call this the stupidest AND best thread ever.

LOL

For some odd reason The Beatles popped into my head.

"When I say hello, you say goodbye"

[Bigsmoke]

According to this guy Cedric Maxwell>Oscar Robertson because Maxwell won a finals MVP.



That scrub was second in the league in scoring while shooting 43% on three's to lead a team with an injured Webber to 55 wins. He deserved to be 4th that season. Of course, what happened to him after that? He was a one hit wonder as far as being an elite player.



According to MJ, Pip deserved the finals MVP in 98'.

you dont think Brad Miller, Mike Bibby, Bobby Jackson, and Doug Christie were part of the Kings succuss that year? Lets not forget about Peja's defense.

[catch24]

That makes no sense. What does Pippen being a great player have to do with Kobe? MJ stans have never explained this faulty logic.

They're the ones that bring Kobe into everything, this has nothing to do with Kobe . Funny how these Fruit of the Loom Hanes Wearing Jockers concede that Jordan was the only one in the trench, had no help whatsoever, did it with a tremendously crappy cast.

MJ is the GOAT sg in HISTORY and arguably the GOAT, but his fanatics (or "fans") are beyond ridiculous.

[andgar923]

That makes no sense. What does Pippen being a great player have to do with Kobe? MJ stans have never explained this faulty logic.

Lets cut the bs.

Kobe stans have ALWAYS done that to diminish MJ's legacy.

They've always said that MJ couldn't win without Kobe to counter the Shaq carried Kobe argument.

[branslowski]

That makes no sense. What does Pippen being a great player have to do with Kobe? MJ stans have never explained this faulty logic.

Silly, silly you...Even though you are a Pippen fan, if you disagree with anything a Mj stan has to say, then you automatically must be a Kobe STAN...duh..

[White Chocolate]

That scrub was second in the league in scoring while shooting 43% on three's to lead a team without an injured Webber to 55 wins. He deserved to be 4th that season. Of course, what happened to him after that? He was a one hit wonder as far as being an elite player.

That team very well could have went on to the Finals if they could have avoided the Lakers for one more round. If Webber was healthy, this team is easily #1 in the West. Even with Webber injured for quite a bit, they were only 3 wins behind San Antonio for #1 in the West.

[branslowski]

They're the ones that bring Kobe into everything, this has nothing to do with Kobe . Funny how these Fruit of the Loom Hanes Wearing Jockers concede that Jordan was the only one in the trench, had no help whatsoever, did it with a tremendously crappy cast.

MJ is the GOAT sg in HISTORY and arguably the GOAT, but his fanatics (or "fans") are beyond ridiculous.

Yeah, I really don't know how Kobe's name even got in this thread...Weird..

[catch24]

Lets cut the bs.

Kobe stans have ALWAYS done that to diminish MJ's legacy.

They've always said that MJ couldn't win without Kobe to counter the Shaq carried Kobe argument.

Spare the nonsense. You fanatics expect every fan to write a sonnet about Jordan, it's pathetic.