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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Barkley had a Superior:
-Post Game
-Mid Range Game
-Lateral Movements
-Rebounder
-Rim Defender
-Fundamentally More Sound etc
And lebron had a superior:
-Playmaking ability
-Passer
-Ballhandler
-Scorer in General
-3 pt shooter
-Pull up jumper
Do you really think lebron,whose entering his prime now, does not/ will not have a better dribble and pull up game?
You keep bringing up trivial stats based on efficiency that favor your player but the fact is he wasn't a huge scorer and never put up as big of point totals as lebron.
He could not have led that cavs team to 50 wins, let alone 60+.
He was a hustler who was fundamentally sound, BUT he was undersized and didn't have the talent of a lebron james.
He didn't have a reliable post game like duncan and he couldn't create for himself and his teammates like lebron.
I love how you bring up he could do xxx well for his size. Well guess what, being smaller doesn't mean you get a pity pass. The more athletic guys tend to be the best to play. Just review a top ten all time list and you'll see.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Won't see to many 6'4/6'5 players shooting 60% from the field.
1989-90
25.2 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 3.9 apg, 60% FG
[I]"Pat Riley said the NBA doesn
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by ImmortalD24
Goat PF my ass.
Give me Duncan, Garnett, Malone, and even Nowitzki over Barkley anytime anywhere outside of an eating contest.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
[QUOTE=PHILA]Won't see to many 6'4/6'5 players shooting 60% from the field.
1989-90
25.2 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 3.9 apg, 60% FG
[I]"Pat Riley said the NBA doesn
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Thanks for the video. Charles was a beast.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
The Barkley - Pippen drama was interesting.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by tpols
I'm trying to figure this out man. I've seen barkley play a handful and he didn't seem to be the guy who could dribble penetrate with a crossover or whatever and pull up on a dime. He didn't have the midrange creativity of a wade or kobe for instance and couldn't create in that sense. You keep bringing up two point fg% but that shit counts everything even layups so that doesn't tell me anything about how many pull up or spot up 12-18ft jumpers he took and made. Sorry man you're just overrating the guy. Barkley was a great player but he couldn't do a lot of the things that some of the current players do. Please don't tell me that barkley takes that cavs team anywhere near the level lebron was able to.
'Round Mound' used to post under the name 'Sir Charles' and was pretty much known soley for his multi-coloured, smiley-infested, Barkley-fellating, statistical shitscripts. Don't bother trying to figure him out, he is oblivious to reason.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Like an ealier poster said Barkley was taller then 6'5....
I always curious of this but in his mug shot he clearly is right at 6'8(I'm guessing with shoes on)...I dont know how to post a picture (newb), but everyone take a look at his mug shot so we can settle this barkley was only 6'5 debate
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by tpols
I'm trying to figure this out man. I've seen barkley play a handful and he didn't seem to be the guy who could dribble penetrate with a crossover or whatever and pull up on a dime. He didn't have the midrange creativity of a wade or kobe for instance and couldn't create in that sense. You keep bringing up two point fg% but that shit counts everything even layups so that doesn't tell me anything about how many pull up or spot up 12-18ft jumpers he took and made. Sorry man you're just overrating the guy. Barkley was a great player but he couldn't do a lot of the things that some of the current players do. Please don't tell me that barkley takes that cavs team anywhere near the level lebron was able to.
Doesn`t seem like it. Barkley had a a mid range game ala Adrian Dantley-Bernard King yet with More Power. His Post Play Was Slow and Bird-Like in Straight Up Shooting (from 12-15 ft only) that mixed with his Speed-Quickness-Power and Natural Strength (and his football leggs), he was like a mini Shaq. That made him unstoppable 10-12-15 ft away from the rim, espeically for Spins and his Off Two Legg Jumps to Dunk after a Spin.
He would also Post up Straight Up Looking Forward in some ones face while waiting for the clock to run up many times (watch Suns vs Blazers from 95).
As Buck Williams said (hardest player to guard in the 2-Point Region).
That is why he recieved alot of double teams yet he would just use power move and penetrating before many like Lebron does but quicker in small spaces.
Barkley had a superior lateral movement than Lebron (although not as good a dribbler) so him at 6`5 and 260 lbs (sometimes more) made him very difficult for smaller or taller forwards to guard him. He was guarded by some dudes that where 6`6 250 lbs or dudes that where 6`9, 6`10, 6`11 and over 7`0 ft (240-260 lbs) still no result.
Yes he could dribble and penetrate here is rare mixes of him doing: spins, drives, mid ranges, post ups etc
As MJ said he was the only player that could really [COLOR="Blue"]PLAY BIG AND SMALL. [/COLOR]
Very...Very Unique Style of Play. It was like Watching a [COLOR="blue"]Guard-Center Play [/COLOR] sometimes (he had great shot block timing of two leggs in the paint too in his 20s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxGTjEwcg8
0:55 vs Jordan: Superb Shot Block Timing of Two Leggs. Ala Center
0:56: Typical Fadeway in the 2-Point Region
1:19: Typical Spin By Barkley...on Malone
1:25: Superb Stealer
1:34: Typical Post Play, Foot Work and Spin by Barkley while Tripled.
1:44: Typical Bull Power Move by Barkley (using superb lateral movement)
1.52: Typical Bull Power Move by Barkley and Fade
2:20: Typical One Handed Power Dunk by Barkley Off Two Leggs (check out the power).
2:26: Master Spin Moves in the Post. He was the "PRECUSOR OF SHAQ`s BLACK TORNADOES" but with More FINESS
3:06 vs Celtics: Superb Lateral Movement and Ball Handling
Coast to Coast, The Original Chase Down Blocker, Dunks etc...Analyze the whole vid
Typical Barkley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4-ZUGmeUT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7NCcOoFd1w
[COLOR="Blue"](GOAT SPIN MOVE BASE LINE POWER POST PLAYER EVER)[/COLOR]
Barkley was 6`4 3/4 so almost 6`5 but he wieghed in 284, 252, 255, 265 and 288 lbs. His weight flcutuated alog in the course his career (he never liked to train or do weights much, he was a natural)
Mark Aguiree and Dan Majerlie where two legit 6`6 ers and they where clearly Taller. Watch the games vs the Mavs and others with the Suns vs Bulls and Rodman (6`6 3/4 ft)
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]"Pat Riley said the NBA doesn’t keep field goal percentage right. They should separate the (two-point shots) from the (three-point shots). They separate the three’s, but overall they don’t separate the two’s. So one of the categories I keep is field goal percentage for two’s. Charles Barkley was the leader in the two-point category for years."
-Harvey Pollack[/COLOR]
Great Job Phila
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Last edited by Round Mound; 08-01-2010 at 06:41 PM.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by EoJ
Thanks for the video. Charles was a beast.
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Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by Quickz
Like an ealier poster said Barkley was taller then 6'5....
I always curious of this but in his mug shot he clearly is right at 6'8(I'm guessing with shoes on)...I dont know how to post a picture (newb), but everyone take a look at his mug shot so we can settle this barkley was only 6'5 debate
He is the same height as Michael Jordan 6`4 3/4
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: ESPN Sportscentury Charles Barkley FULL VIDEO
Originally Posted by Round Mound
He is the same height as Michael Jordan 6`4 3/4
he was taller, longer, and twice the thickness of michael jordan.
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