LeBron has 17 game winners already?

[Fatal9]

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

According to this site. Does that seem surprisingly high to anyone else? Hasn't tracked the last season and a half either...

[LAClipsFan33]

Lebron wins a lot of games. When he does nobody cares because 9/10 its not a circus or highly contested shot

[ShaqAttack3234]

Yeah, it does seem high, but he did have 3 in the playoffs by that point already, 2 vs Washington and 1 vs Detroit, iirc and it includes the playoffs.

[RazorBaLade]

they use a stupid ass criteria, that site isnt legit for gw

"Obviously though this definition means a shot may not actually be a game winner -- it may only tie a game (if down two points) or it may allow enough time for the opponents to get a game winning shot of their own. Still it seems a reasonable compromise." no it doesnt. game WINNER. not maybe game winner.

[Fatal9]

Wonder why they stopped updating midway through last season. Would be nice if all these attempts were cited somehow too. Kobe had a horrific stretch on game winning shots from '04-'06 iirc, bet he was shooting like 10-15% on them (all usually long 30 foot threes).

[madmax]

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

According to this site. Does that seem surprisingly high to anyone else? Hasn't tracked the last season and a half either...

just because most of his game winners aren't last second buzzer-beating contested jumpshots, doesn't mean they are not legit...He wins plenty of games and is very clutch - better than Kobe is, like the stats show

[SinJackal]

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

According to this site. Does that seem surprisingly high to anyone else? Hasn't tracked the last season and a half either...

They use the most logical criteria for "game winners", so they can accurately post players' game winning FG%. Based on their criteria, if Kobe make a shot that puts the Lakers ahead with 3 seconds left, then Manu Ginobili hits a three at the other end to win the game for the Spurs, Kobe still gets credit for a game winner.

This is because if you count only late game shots that you make and the other team doesn't score, but also count potential game winners missed, their FG% stats for game winners will be way down, since perhaps the other team scores at the other end before the game's up, then you lose credit for a game winner. But if you brick one and the other team scores, you would get it counted against you for a miss still. So they count the ones even if the other team scores in the final few seconds since it's fair to the players.

It's more a, "late game potential game winning shots" stat, not a specific "game winning shots" stat.

LeBron did have 17 potential game winners, but some of the time the Cavs gave up a score at the end for a loss, and LeBron therefore did not get credit for a GW shot.

Some people may not like the way they define the stat on the site, but they simply don't understand that it's the only way to accurately assess a player's late game offensive clutchness. The actual game winners stat is extremely overrated, since it completely excludes efficiancy. 14 game winning makes in 5 years is great, but getting them on 25% shooting is pathetic.

Wonder why they stopped updating midway through last season. Would be nice if all these attempts were cited somehow too. Kobe had a horrific stretch on game winning shots from '04-'06 iirc, bet he was shooting like 10-15% on them (all usually long 30 foot threes).

That's true. FYI though, they used the play by play section on NBA.com. It tells you the exact seconds shots are taken, what the score is when they were taken, who's shooting them, and if they made them or not. If you want, you could manually go through them to figure out what their stats would be for the last season and a half, but that'd take a good while.

[Batz]

It's 82games. Making up shit is there thing. Because according to every other source Lebron has about 4-5 gamewinners. Just looking at the list and seeing people like Ricky Davis, Damon Stoudamire, Damon Jones, Travis Outlaw, Kevin Martin, Ronald Murray, Tyronn Lue, Andrew Bogut and **** I could go on. All in good fun though. Gives me chuckles now and then.

[LAClipsFan33]

They use the most logical criteria for "game winners", so they can accurately post players' game winning FG%. Based on their criteria, if Kobe make a shot that puts the Lakers ahead with 3 seconds left, then Manu Ginobili hits a three at the other end to win the game for the Spurs, Kobe still gets credit for a game winner.

This is because if you count only late game shots that you make and the other team doesn't score, but also count potential game winners missed, their FG% stats for game winners will be way down, since perhaps the other team scores at the other end before the game's up, then you lose credit for a game winner. But if you brick one and the other team scores, you would get it counted against you for a miss still. So they count the ones even if the other team scores in the final few seconds since it's fair to the players.

It's more a, "late game potential game winning shots" stat, not a specific "game winning shots" stat.

LeBron did have 17 potential game winners, but some of the time the Cavs gave up a score at the end for a loss, and LeBron therefore did not get credit for a GW shot.

Some people may not like the way they define the stat on the site, but they simply don't understand that it's the only way to accurately assess a player's late game offensive clutchness. The actual game winners stat is extremely overrated, since it completely excludes efficiancy. 14 game winning makes in 5 years is great, but getting them on 25% shooting is pathetic.

Thanks for clearing that up

[jstern]

Kobe with 14? There was a thread here that had Kobe with more game winners than Jordan. Like 29 or 30 game winners.

[TheLogo]

Unlike 82games, whom I have emailed for sources and the games, they responded by saying they no longer know what teams each player played against, I have the real numbers.

All Kobe's game winners have been sourced and documented.

I OWNAGE 82games.........


www.dolem.com/kobe

Enjoy.

P.S. Kobe has one more because Raptors game wasn't documented.

[ImmortalD24]

Roland Beech (82games.com owner and writer) sure does reference "Bryant fans" a lot.

I notice that he's from Northern California.. Kings fan too I see..


Why does this start from the 03-04 season to 08-09?

[Batz]

Why does this start from the 03-04 season to 08-09?

Lebron's rookie season to last season?

[catch24]

Roland Beech (82games.com owner and writer) sure does reference "Bryant fans" a lot.

I notice that he's from Northern California.. Kings fan too I see..


Why does this start from the 03-04 season to 08-09?

Find it funny the owner of that site has updated the 2010 clutch stats and all other various statistics, yet, interestingly, GWs (their criteria is terrible btw ... how the hell can a game tying basket also be considered a GW?) haven't been updated in...well going on 2 years.

[Team_Hollywood]

LeBron James is a great player, very clutch too; but people just like to point out the flaws and find reasons to hate. If you judge him from a neutral stand point, he truly is an amazing player. I'm more than sure he'll retire as one of the greatest players of all time, possibly top ten.


WE DA BESS