Out of the 11 years Kobe was a 1st option (2005-2016)

[Asukal]

Out of 6 collusion finals lebron won only 2. With the help of the refs and Ray Allen. Without that? 0 / 6 = 0%

Of those 2 rings he did win, one is remembered as Ray Allen's saving shot. There's nothing memorable about 2012 and he lost in horrible fashion for the other 4 while in collusion mode. Tell me how is that kind of career supposedly top 10?

[DMAVS41]

It's really hard to win in this league without a great coach and great help. Kobe suffered the way any all time great would have because of this.

Nobody is above it. Not MJ, not Duncan, not Kareem, not Magic, not Lebron...etc.

You need help to win.

Kobe winning 2 titles and making 3 finals as the leader of his team seems like it's pretty damn good to me.

[Bandito]

But he went 2/3 to the Finals. How did Lebron do?

[3peated]

He wasn't even a CLEAR first option (meaning, most important player) during the Gasol years.

Gasol probably had the greater impact, Kobe just hogged the attention.

When he hasn't had Shaq or Pau, we see what his game is really worth.

And it isn't very much.

MJ did a lot before pippen....

lebron won a lot before teaming up.....



grow up, bro. it takes a team to win, no 1 player has done it by themselves.

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[DMV2]

But he went 2/3 to the Finals. How did Lebron do?

Back-to-back seasons with a ring/MVP/Finals MVP....something only Jordan was able to do.

How about another one.... 2012 ring/MVP/Finals MVP/Olympic gold medal....same as above, another thing only Jordan was able to do.

Kobe spent his entire career trying to be like Mike. LeBron never did and still managed to accomplish things only MJ was able to do.