MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..

[NBAGOAT]

Also quite simply shaq/Kobe coasted more than most. Later Kobe lakers too to some extent. Shaq/Kobe lakers may have been the goat playoff offense but I can

[3ball]

They did have Glen Rice for one of their rings.

They also had Horace Grant, just like the bulls did

Who did the bulls have after MJ/Pippen

A bunch of role players

MJ achieved much better offenses than prime Shaq, and Shaq had fuccing Kobe, not garbage, bricklayer Pip

[FKAri]

They also had Horace Grant, just like the bulls did

Who did the bulls have after MJ/Pippen

A bunch of role players

MJ achieved much better offenses than prime Shaq, and Shaq had fuccing Kobe, not garbage, bricklayer Pip

MJ also had garbage bricklayers as his opposition. The 2nd best player of MJ's era was probably Hakeem. That nigguh learned how to play basketball from a pamphlet on his plane ride to the NBA Draft. And MJ didn't even face that nigguh. He faced WORSE nigguhs!

[3ball]

MJ also had garbage bricklayers as his opposition. The 2nd best player of MJ's era was probably Hakeem. That nigguh learned how to play basketball from a pamphlet on his plane ride to the NBA Draft. And MJ didn't even face that nigguh? He faced WORSE nigguhs!

MJ is the goat offensive player and these stats prove it - you don't think it's remarkable that MJ had much better triangles than prime Shaq or Kobe?.. this is a complete apples to apples comparison and MJ destroys them

Also, the 2nd best player of mj's era was prime Magic in 1991, who was runner-up for MVP and made a Finals run

... Then prime Shaq.. then prime Bird.... Then maybe Hakeem, although Isiah would have a case, or Malone/Barkley

Today's equivalent is Durant, Curry, Duncan, Dirk - not better than the guys MJ faced

[tpols]

Its common knowledge Lakers used to coast in the regular season back then...especially shaq.

Fake news...

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ is the goat offensive player and these stats prove it - you don't think it's remarkable that MJ had much better triangles than prime Shaq or Kobe?.. this is a complete apples to apples comparison and MJ destroys them

Also, the 2nd best player of mj's era was prime Magic in 1991, who was runner-up for MVP and made a Finals run

... Then prime Shaq.. then prime Bird.... Then maybe Hakeem, although Isiah would have a case, or Malone/Barkley

Today's equivalent is Durant, Curry, Duncan, Dirk - not better than the guys MJ faced

Lmao at

'91 Magic being better than his MVP years in the 80's

And Isiah having a case over Hakeem

[3ball]

Its common knowledge Lakers used to coast in the regular season back then...especially shaq.

Fake news...

Shaq didn't coast in 2000 and MJ still destroyed him - and the numbers aren't close - it's a blowout - MJ's bulls had 50% bigger edge on the league than Shaq did.. Shaq ain't coasting that much

And what about Kobe from 08-10'???

So the data is conclusive and it's apples to apples - triangle vs triangle - this is the kind of data that literally proves mj's goatness...

Other data that proves MJ to be goat is the overall clutch stats for MJ, Kobe, Lebron, and Durant - old MJ shot much better in the clutch on 20% more attempts than the prime versions of these guys..

Other conclusive data would be the jumpshooting stats that show MJ made twice as many jumpers as lebron or Curry's highest year, with better efficiency than lebron's best (stats)
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[3ball]

Lmao at

'91 Magic being better than his MVP years in the 80's

And Isiah having a case over Hakeem

The only reason he didn't win MVP in 1991 was because of MJ

And imagine if the Warriors didn't exist - the championship would be WIDE OPEN - maybe Portland would have a shot, or Houston.. clippers??

that's the circumstance that Hakeem won the ring - he'd be 0-2 in the Finals if MJ's dad didn't get murdered, and nowhere near Isiah...

[SouBeachTalents]

The only reason he didn't win MVP in 1991 was because of MJ

And imagine if the Warriors didn't exist - the championship would be WIDE OPEN - maybe Portland would have a shot, or Houston.. clippers??

that's the circumstance that Hakeem won the ring - he'd be 0-2 in the Finals if MJ's dad didn't get murdered, and nowhere near Isiah...

Nah, even without the titles he was still an MVP & DPOY, and was clearly a better & more impactful player than Isiah was

[SpaceJam2]

Nah, even without the titles he was still an MVP & DPOY, and was clearly a better & more impactful player than Isiah was

Honestly I think the fact that Jordan has a losing record to
Hakeem and Isaiah is why 3ball is so mad

[egokiller]

Bro did you know 90s all-star John Starks was a literal grocery bagger?

I mean I just recently quit my job as a grocery store cashier...how good would I be in the 90s????

So if Josh Gad bagged groceries he

[AussieSteve]

[QUOTE=RRR3]If you want a way to defeat him just point how much worse Bill Cartwright got once he joined the Bulls. He has no real rebuttal for that. It completely flummoxes him and he just repeats complete nonsense even he doesn

[3ball]

It's actually not hard to show that basically all of Jordan's teammates scored less next to him. Not that any individual scored significantly less, but that [COLOR="DarkRed"]everyone scored a bit less[/COLOR]

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Exactly - but more important than everyone playing near capacity - they weren't reduced to spot-up shooters and had their role marginalized..

that's what kills a team and requires a constant need for "moar help" as each guy is reduced to spot-up shooters... It's pretty damn pathetic tbh, and even more pathetic that the media/fans don't see what's going on

And obviously, anytime a superstar like Bosh or Love is reduced catastrophically to role player - that hurts a team's capacity more than anything
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[NBAGOAT]

Exactly - but more important than everyone playing near capacity - they weren't reduced to spot-up shooters and had their role marginalized..

that's what kills a team and requires a constant need for "moar help" as each guy is reduced to spot-up shooters... It's pretty damn pathetic tbh, and even more pathetic that the media/fans don't see what's going on

And obviously, anytime a superstar like Bosh or Love is reduced catastrophically to role player - that hurts a team's capacity more than anything
.

We

[RRR3]

Exactly - but more important than everyone playing near capacity - they weren't reduced to spot-up shooters and had their role marginalized..

that's what kills a team and requires a constant need for "moar help" as each guy is reduced to spot-up shooters... It's pretty damn pathetic tbh, and even more pathetic that the media/fans don't see what's going on

And obviously, anytime a superstar like Bosh or Love is reduced catastrophically to role player - that hurts a team's capacity more than anything
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I already proved to you that Cartwright got significantly worse under MJ.



Inb4 you cite counting stats trying to act like you don