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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
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despite less offensive help than Shaq or Kobe had:
Points above league average ORtg:
2000 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +3.2
2001 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +5.4
2002 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +4.9
2008 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +5.5
2009 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +4.5
2010 Lakers:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +1.2
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[COLOR="navy"]Average:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +4.12[/COLOR]
1991 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +6.7
1992 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +7.3
1993 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +4.9
1996 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +7.6
1997 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +7.7
1998 Bulls:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +2.7
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Average:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] +6.15[/COLOR]
thus proving MJ was a much better offensive player and had a much better offensive impact - the GOAT offensive player
Indeed - the triangle was shit in 1994 (14th in the league)... Otoh, it was the #1 offense 4 times during the three-peats, including the #2, #6, #12, and #16 offenses of all time (the most top 10 and top 20 offenses ever)
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Last edited by 3ball; 06-05-2019 at 12:30 AM.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
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Gif-ted
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
2016 GS +8.1
Legoat beat them.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by bigkingsfan
2016 GS +8.1
Legoat beat them.
Only 1 out of 4 times
And only 1 out of 3 times vs Spurs
Everyone will have a fluke if you have enough tries..
What's better - the guy with skills to have a juggernaut offense/favorite status, or skills that result in perennial underdogs that can only fluke out at best??..
lebron can't BE the juggernaut offense like MJ and Curry.. his skillset is too ball-dominant/lacks ball movement, so he can only fluke-out at best
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Last edited by 3ball; 06-05-2019 at 01:06 AM.
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Gif-ted
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by 3ball
Only 1 out of 4 times
And only 1 out of 3 times vs Spurs
Everyone will have a fluke if you have enough tries..
What's better - the guy with skills to have a juggernaut offense/favorite status, or skills that result in perennial underdogs that can only fluke out at best??..
lebron can't BE the juggernaut offense like MJ and Curry.. his skillset is too ball-dominant/lacks ball movement, so he can only fluke-out at best
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He beat them in two tries, unlike Ordan, PISSED-Ons 4 tries.
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NBA All-star
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Tell me who else were on those shaq/Kobe teams. You
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Lol
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Tell me who else were on those shaq/Kobe teams. You
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SexLand
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Much easier to score and be efficient over 5'9'' part time mechanics and car salesmen.
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Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
Much easier to score and be efficient over 5'9'' part time mechanics and car salesmen.
Bro did you know 90s all-star John Starks was a literal grocery bagger?
I mean I just recently quit my job as a grocery store cashier...how good would I be in the 90s????
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Laker Nation
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
Much easier to score and be efficient over 5'9'' part time mechanics and car salesmen.
bodied.
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NBA All-star
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
[QUOTE=RRR3]If you want a way to defeat him just point how much worse Bill Cartwright got once he joined the Bulls. He has no real rebuttal for that. It completely flummoxes him and he just repeats complete nonsense even he doesn
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Bran Fam Member
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Less offensive help than Shaq/Kobe?
early 2000s Lakers were just built on Shaq/Kobe with a bunch of role players in the toughest defensive era, 08-10 Lakers had Kobe/Gasol and role players, those were pretty similar to 90s Bulls offensively but the defensive rules had changed so the league as a whole got better offensively.
Also, Kobe or Shaq missed a bunch of games during the season and Shaq especially came into the RS out of shape so you know they were coasting to the POs.
'96 and '97 Bulls also benefited from a shortened 3PT line, or is it Pippen missing half the season that made the '98 Bulls so much worse on offense? hmm.
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Banned
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Lol
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Less offensive help than Shaq/Kobe?
early 2000s Lakers were just built on Shaq/Kobe with a bunch of role players in the toughest defensive era, 08-10 Lakers had Kobe/Gasol and role players, those were pretty similar to 90s Bulls offensively but the defensive rules had changed so the league as a whole got better offensively.
Also, Kobe or Shaq missed a bunch of games during the season and Shaq especially came into the RS out of shape so you know they were coasting to the POs.
'96 and '97 Bulls also benefited from a shortened 3PT line, or is it Pippen missing half the season that made the '98 Bulls so much worse on offense? hmm.
They did have Glen Rice for one of their rings.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: MJ's triangle exceeded league average ORtg by much more than Kobe/Shaq's triangle..
Originally Posted by RRR3
They did have Glen Rice for one of their rings.
Yup, but he was a shell of his former self and didn't fit much at all in Jackson's triangle offense. Pretty sure Rice still hates Phil to this day.
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