Your top 5 most skilled players ever (only scoring/passing/ball-handling)?

[fpliii]

Who comes to mind?

For the purpose of this thread, ignore rebounding and defense.

Preferably you'd want a guy who can score in a variety of ways (shooting/driving/posting up), but I don't want to limit the conversation too much.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bird
CP3
Dirk
Kobe

dunno bout last spot..........

Manu
Nash(since we ignoring defense otherwise he wouldnt be top 10)
MJ
Price
Stockton
Penny

can all go. not including defense and rebounding means big men dont get love here unless Dirk OFC

[dubeta]

Bird

LeBron

Steve Nash

Hakeem

Jordan


I have explanations for all if need be

[fpliii]

How about the Pistol?

[Smook A.]

(No order)

Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Oscar Robertson

Magic Johnson - Career 20/10 guy. Obviously a great passer and every season of his career (Except 1995-96) he was an above-average scorer.

Larry Bird - Great scorer. His career average for PPG is 24. Larry was a nice passer too. He had one season where he averaged 7.6 apg.

Michael Jordan - MJ has the best scoring career average in the history of the NBA (30.1) so he's definitely one of the most skilled scorers ever. One season of his career, Jordan averaged 8 apg. His career avg is 5.3

LeBron James - I don't like LeBron or hate him, but I gotta say he's one of the best scorers the league has ever seen. Not to mention, he's a great passer for his size. His career avg for ppg and apg is 27.5/7

Oscar Robertson - He's easily one of the best all-around players ever. He's the only player in history to average a triple-double for a whole season (30/10/10). Obviously the guy was a tremendous scorer and passer. He had 6 seasons where he averaged 30+ ppg and 5 seasons where he put up 10+ apg.

Another Thing: If Kevin Durant continues to play great, he can easily finish as one of the most skilled players ever. He already is IMO, but I'm talking about Top 10 potential.

[inclinerator]

lebron bird mj curry kobe

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

(No order)

Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Oscar Robertson

Magic Johnson - Career 20/10 guy. Obviously a great passer and every season of his career (Except 1995-96) he was an above-average scorer.

Larry Bird - Great scorer. His career average for PPG is 24. Larry was a nice passer too. He had one season where he averaged 7.6 apg.

Michael Jordan - MJ has the best scoring career average in the history of the NBA (30.1) so he's definitely one of the most skilled scorers ever. One season of his career, Jordan averaged 8 apg. His career avg is 5.3

LeBron James - I don't like LeBron or hate him, but I gotta say he's one of the best scorers the league has ever seen. Not to mention, he's a great passer for his size. His career avg for ppg and apg is 27.5/7

Oscar Robertson - He's easily one of the best all-around players ever. He's the only player in history to average a triple-double for a whole season (30/10/10). Obviously the guy was a tremendous scorer and passer. He had 6 seasons where he averaged 30+ ppg and 5 seasons where he put up 10+ apg.

Another Thing - If Kevin Durant continues the type of MVP season he had, he can easily finish as one of the most skilled players ever.

Magic was dominant b/c of his size compared to other PGs. He wasnt anywhere near as skilled as CP cmon

Lebron dominates b/c of his athleticism and power hes improved skills in Miami but hes not close to top 5. KD dominates b/c of his athleticism and length hes skilled but his ball handling still sucks and hes not that skilled passing

i didnt watch Oscar............u just lookin at stats?

[Milbuck]

Discounting rebounding and defense helps guys like Steve Nash tremendously and really hurts big men in the discussion.

So I guess counting only offensive skills like shooting stroke, range, scoring arsenal, footwork, passing/vision, ball handling, post game, awareness, etc., for me:

Bird
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
Oscar

Guys like peak CP3 from 2007-2009, Nash, Steph Curry come to mind as well

[Smook A.]

Magic was dominant b/c of his size compared to other PGs. He wasnt anywhere near as skilled as CP cmon

Lebron dominates b/c of his athleticism and power hes improved skills in Miami but hes not close to top 5. KD dominates b/c of his athleticism and length hes skilled but his ball handling still sucks and hes not that skilled passing

i didnt watch Oscar............u just lookin at stats?

No shit. I'm 24.

I've looked at stats, and highlights of him in the past.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe bryant
Isiah Thomas
Lebron James
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West


all these guys can score 30ppg if they want, all these guys could average 10 apg if they wanted. all these guys can run the point. all these guys HAVE run the point ( even if they were listed at another position )


i wouldnt put jordan on there. he had limited handles in the open court. pippen was the leading assist man for the bulls for all 6 titles. and mj was more of a post player allot of his career

[L.Kizzle]

LeBron is not super skilled, he's just super athletic. He's nowhere near a Larry Bird or Oscar Robertson.

Top 5 in no order.

Larry Bird
Oscar Robertson
Pete Maravich
David Thompson
Magic Johnson

Close call is Bill Walton. This thread isn't fair to big men.

[pauk]

Discounting rebounding and defense helps guys like Steve Nash tremendously and really hurts big men in the discussion.

So I guess counting only offensive skills like shooting stroke, range, scoring arsenal, footwork, passing/vision, ball handling, post game, awareness, etc., for me:

Bird
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
Oscar

Guys like peak CP3 from 2007-2009, Nash, Steph Curry come to mind as well

This.

[pauk]

kobe bryant
Isiah Thomas
Lebron James <--------------------------
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West


all these guys can score 30ppg if they want, all these guys could average 10 apg if they wanted. all these guys can run the point. all these guys HAVE run the point ( even if they were listed at another position )


i wouldnt put jordan on there. he had limited handles in the open court. pippen was the leading assist man for the bulls for all 6 titles. and mj was more of a post player allot of his career

Kenneth!? wow

[Pointguard]

In the past you were expexted to post up.
Frazier had a deep post game
Magic
Bird
LeBron
Nash

[kennethgriffin]

bird's handles werent good enough to run the point IMO

theres no way his simple dribbles and 6-10 frame would be able to bring the ball up the court for 40 minutes a night

hes a great passer though

In the past you were expexted to post up.
Frazier had a deep post game
Magic
Bird
LeBron
Nash

magic isnt anywhere close to being an all around scorer.

nash isnt a great scorer. he shoots lights out cause he only shoots wide open.