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truth serum
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
He didn't need a winning record either
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
He didn't need a winning record either
Stats for mj/lebron's first 3 playoff seasons
REGULAR SEASON
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..
^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds
PLAYOFFS
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..
^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals
Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)
Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron
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The Mind Fvcker
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by 3ball
Stats for mj/lebron's first 3 playoff seasons
REGULAR SEASON
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..
^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds
PLAYOFFS
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..
^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals
Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)
Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron
Stop posting facts! It ruins the "didn't need a winning record either" argument and results in lebron looking mediocre compared to MJ.
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Yellow King
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
He didn't need a winning record either
urinary track infection
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
Thread Cliffs
JORDAN - needed nothing to make the playoffs
LEBRON - needed 2-time all-star center, sidekick perimeter defender, COY
Then Lebron added 2 more all-stars in 09/10 (Mo, Jamison), another all-league defender (varejao), and the 09' all-star MVP (shaq) to be 4th option..
all this in a weak conference that didn't require a good cast to make the Finals - 5 weak casts had made the Finals from 01-09' (09' Dwight 09', 02/03 Kidd, 01' AI, 07' Lebron)..
yet Lebron failed to make the 09/10 Finals despite being a favorite in a weak conference, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs.. it was a slimy move.
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Local High School Star
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
Thread Cliffs: OP Stans a losing record. Everyone laughs at him.
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Banned
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
I don't know how many more times we need to collectively send this to you but it appears many more times, so here it is:
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Our Lord & Savior
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by egokiller
Stop posting facts! It ruins the "didn't need a winning record either" argument and results in lebron looking mediocre compared to MJ.
I'm sorry did he or did he not make the 85 playoffs with a winning record?
It's not an argument It's FACTS
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Roid
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
Originally Posted by Rico2016
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Why do you guys keep posting your shifts at McDonald
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Le11th
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
[QUOTE=bison]Why do you guys keep posting your shifts at McDonald
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
I'm sorry did he or did he not make the 85 playoffs with a winning record?
It's not an argument It's FACTS
[COLOR="Red"]Here's how much tougher MJ's conference was:[/COLOR]
PLAYOFFS
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..
[Color="red"]^^^ Yet Jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals[/color]
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Cancer
Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs
3ball scrambling right now.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by 3ball
[COLOR="Red"]Here's how much tougher MJ's conference was:[/COLOR]
PLAYOFFS
MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..
[Color="red"] ^^^ Yet Jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals[/color]
But you always claim Kobe > LeBron, so if we were to do this same exact comparison for them, you’d be completely contradicting yourself
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
But you always claim Kobe > LeBron, so if we were to do this same exact comparison for them, you’d be completely contradicting yourself
Not at all - I've never claimed that young Kobe had a weaker cast than young lebron - young Kobe's cast was clearly much better - everyone knows that, so im on solid ground
You guys are the ones ignoring that lebron had a better cast than MJ, which is why his teams were seeded much higher despite him producing much less than MJ
MJ had nothing until 1990, while lebron had 3 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo, Jamison), 2 all-league defenders (Hughes, Varejao), the 09' all-star mvp as 4th option in 10', and the COY
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-06-2019 at 02:30 PM.
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Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs
Originally Posted by 3ball
Not at all - I've never claimed that young Kobe had a weaker cast than young lebron - young Kobe's cast was clearly much better - everyone knows that, so im on solid ground
You guys are the ones ignoring that lebron had a better cast than MJ, which is why his teams were seeded much higher despite him producing much less than MJ
MJ had nothing until 1990, while lebron had 3 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo, Jamison), 2 all-league defenders (Hughes, Varejao), the 09' all-star mvp as 4th option in 10', and the COY
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