Why is Dr.J never mentioned along with some all time greats?

[sportsfan76]

Because the Guy never led a team to a title and only averaged 21 PPG in the Playoffs. If you include ABA then perhaps yes. Its close.

what about the 1983 title?

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn son, your speech impediment even shows on the internet?

Oops. Me stupido.. lol usually dont make those errors, I actually thought akroz was laughing at the fact I had him 21 just outside the top 20

[ArbitraryWater]

what about the 1983 title?

What about it?

[sportsfan76]

What about it?

Didn't he lead the sixers to the finals 3 times in 4 years and won a title????


1980 Finals....loss
1982 Finals....loss
1983 Finals...won

[ArbitraryWater]

Didn't he lead the sixers to the finals 3 times in 4 years and won a title????


1980 Finals....loss
1982 Finals....loss
1983 Finals...won

Yes.. I said he never led them to a TITLE, still correct.

[RoseCity07]

Dirk is def better than Kobe career wise. Dirk dominated okc and the heat to win his championship. Kobe had star players in their prime doing heavy lifting.

[sportsfan76]

Yes.. I said he never led them to a TITLE, still correct.

They won the title in 1983

[ArbitraryWater]

They won the title in 1983

And Moses as the clear cut Leader


This guy, only person on this planet to believe Dr.J > Moses in 1983

dat lack of historical awareness

[sketchy]

And Moses as the clear cut Leader


This guy, only person on this planet to believe Dr.J > Moses in 1983

dat lack of historical awareness

^^
Moses definitely > Doc J in '83, making him the second option on his only NBA title team. This isn't to say he wasn't a great player, but he had no jumpshot, making him a non factor unless he was able to get to the rim. His best years were played in the no defense ABA (seriously, check out some of the guys who guarded him in his ABA title runs). I don't really have a definite ranking after top 10, but he's probably in my top 20 if I did though.

[miles berg]

Dirk definitely > Kobe. Imagine how many titles he would have had over the years with Shaq and Gasol inside he finally gets someone decent in Tyson Chandler and immediately wins.

I can only imagine how amazing Shaq/Dirk would have been.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dirk definitely > Kobe. Imagine how many titles he would have had over the years with Shaq and Gasol inside he finally gets someone decent in Tyson Chandler and immediately wins.

I can only imagine how amazing Shaq/Dirk would have been.

Dirk really only needs a solid rim protector and you got the Title. Its amazing how much easier it is to build around the guy. Also, he has played significantly better in the playoffs, through g7's, elimination games, closeout games, with the game on the line, etc.

[sketchy]

Dirk definitely > Kobe. Imagine how many titles he would have had over the years with Shaq and Gasol inside he finally gets someone decent in Tyson Chandler and immediately wins.

I can only imagine how amazing Shaq/Dirk would have been.

Remember that time when Shaq was gonna go to Dallas but instead ended up in Miami in the Lamar Odom trade? Ugh, that would've been so fun to see Shaq and Dirk together.

[chocolatethunder]

Well I'm old enough to have seen Doc play. I was born in '72 so when they won their title I watched basketball but no 11 year old is going to be able to give a good analyis someone's game (nor is an 18 year old either). Anyway, looking back I would say that he didn't have good handles and he was not a good shooter. He was electrifying and did stuff that not a lot of people had done. I don't get into the whole ranking thing because I think it's stupid but I would say he's one of the greats but even as a Sixer fan, in my mind he's a level below the very best of the best. I like to think of player in groups of peers. For example players x y and z are one on level and players d e and f are a level below them etc. trying to give concrete rankings to players just doesn't make sense to me because you have to say difinitively that one guy is better than another but it's not always so clear cut. So to me it makes more sense to talk about players as being on the same level of other players. I dunno, that's how I see it. Anyway, Doc was great and I think he is an all time great but to me he's just below the best of the best.

[SHAQisGOAT]

He is. He's just not Top 20.

Oh, and, Dirk > Kobe. Wouldn't even think twice about it...

So much stupidity in only two paragraphs

[Dr.J4ever]

He certainly had a great NBA career, but it came in only 11 of his 16 professional seasons, and probably after his peak, as well. His NBA career had an MVP and a ring, but if you add in his five season ABA career, which included three straight MVPs and two more rings...well, again, he would certainly have justification for a top-10 career.

This.... And you HAVE to add it. As I have repeatedly said to anyone who will listen, the ABA dominated the NBA in the last 3 years before the merger(almost 70% clip)... Many writers of the time like the NYtimes Peter Vecsey have opined that during the early 70s, the top 5 teams yearly would have ABA teams on it.

In the 1st year after the merger, the Denver Nuggets were a game back of the NBA's best record. The Spurs won their division, and the All Star team had 10 ABA players on it. During the Finals, 5 of the 10 starters were former ABA players.

Really, the only thing keeping ABA stats being absorbed with NBA stats may be a grudge/financial/legal considerations with those former ABA St.louis franchise owners that continued to receive NBA TV money for a long time after the merger. I believe it was finally settled just 2 months ago.

Eventually, people in the league office will have to do the right thing and absorb ABA stats. So many great ABA players who never ended up reaching the merger have been cast off in history.

Plus, if you include Doc's ABA resume, Doc would have 6 Finals appearances, and 3 Titles.

Easily to 10-15..In my heart, Doc will always be top 10.