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Old 08-04-2014, 01:48 AM   #46
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I think you may have gotten that from me. And I am not positive about it either, but I seem to recall that was a rule at one time.

Maybe you can help us with this. Can you find out the exact number of players that played each year. I'm sure some of them didn't vote or perhaps were not on rosters all season long, but it might give us some clue.

Again, looking at the total votes cast in '67, Wilt was left off of seven ballots. The 76ers only had 11 players on their roster from what I could determine, and Bob Weiss only played in six games, too.

The '68 voting would make a little more sense, since Wilt was left off of 25 ballots out of the 135 cast.

If players were allowed to vote for their teammates, then Wilt was clearly a victim of an "anti-Wilt" bias.
Sorry, just saw this. Here are the totals for each year of the player vote:

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1955-56 92 1956-57 99 1957-58 99 1958-59 92 1959-60 99 1960-61 93 1961-62 113 1962-63 117 1963-64 111 1964-65 114 1965-66 111 1966-67 123 1967-68N 151 1968-69N 168 1969-70N 171 1970-71N 217 1971-72N 216 1972-73N 215 1973-74N 222 1974-75N 235 1975-76N 238 1976-77 295 1977-78 285 1978-79 280 1979-80 287
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:31 PM   #47
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Sorry, just saw this. Here are the totals for each year of the player vote:

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1955-56 92 1956-57 99 1957-58 99 1958-59 92 1959-60 99 1960-61 93 1961-62 113 1962-63 117 1963-64 111 1964-65 114 1965-66 111 1966-67 123 1967-68N 151 1968-69N 168 1969-70N 171 1970-71N 217 1971-72N 216 1972-73N 215 1973-74N 222 1974-75N 235 1975-76N 238 1976-77 295 1977-78 285 1978-79 280 1979-80 287

Yeah...the total votes are considerably less than the number of players (at least in the years I was interested in.) Not sure if there were restrictions as to number of games played before a player could vote, or when they were on a roster, but it doesn't add up.

Again, using '67 and '68...

In '67, the total number of votes was 105, and in '68 it was 135. The number of players in your research indicates 123 total players in '67, and 151 in '68.

Wilt's numbers in '67: 80-13-5 (1st, 2nd, and 3rd place votes)
And in '68: 88-21-1

In '67 Wilt appeared on the ballots of the voters in 98 of the 105 votes, and in '68 he appeared on 110 of the 135.

Maybe someone can shed some light on the voting was actually done in the years the players voted...
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Best 5 years - Impact wise ..

Top 5
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Kareem,Jordan,Bill,Wilt,Mikan

Rest of top 10
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Shaq,Duncan,Hakeem,Lebron,Oscar/Bird



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If you put Russell at the top of the list, I fail to see how you can leave Duncan entirely off the list. Russell was not that much better defensively than Duncan as Duncan was better offensively than Russell. Duncan is also not chopped liver in the area of intangibles that Russell excels at - leadership, team player, BBIQ, competitive drive. Spurs have the highest WINNING percentage for a career's span - Duncan is the single most important reason for that.
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How can Kareem be ahead of Magic in impact? Magic gave him all his Laker rings. If Magic doesn't come along, Kareem ends his long career with 1 ring, and be thought of as a major disappointment instead of being a top 5 player ever.
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How can Kareem be ahead of Magic in impact? Magic gave him all his Laker rings. If Magic doesn't come along, Kareem ends his long career with 1 ring, and be thought of as a major disappointment instead of being a top 5 player ever.

I wasn't aware of Rings determines impacts .



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If you put Russell at the top of the list, I fail to see how you can leave Duncan entirely off the list. Russell was not that much better defensively than Duncan as Duncan was better offensively than Russell. Duncan is also not chopped liver in the area of intangibles that Russell excels at - leadership, team player, BBIQ, competitive drive. Spurs have the highest WINNING percentage for a career's span - Duncan is the single most important reason for that.

No , Russell was much better defensive player than Duncan was . Ben Wallace was clearly better defensive player than Duncan . Let alone Russell .
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