Actually I'd say Gary Payton has a chance against any of those guys mentioned EXCEPT David Robinson. And Scottie Pippen.
Drob was a 25-11 player before Tim Duncan, won an MVP and led his teams to 55+ wins several seasons with guys like Sean Elliot and a past prime Terry Cummings as his second options. Before 95, he was considered a better player than Hakeem Olajuwon. He has career averages of 21 ppg and 11 rpg, despite having drastically lower numbers over the span of Tim Duncan's entry into the league. He's a scoring champ, a defensive stalwart, and is one of the greatest scoring big men of all time.
I don't see how any of Payton's accomplishments could put him over Drob, especially since Payton's teams were deeper, and they had virtually the same success as the 90's Spurs.
Agreed. I don't think its a big deal if someone put Payton over Drexler, Pippen, Ewing, or Stockton, but no way he is over Robinson.
Yer sorry, take Robinson out. Was an MVP and in my eyes one of the most underrated centres. Had great stats as well.
Though all the other guys, Payton was definately better then. The guy gets overlooked due to not having standout stats. Though you look at his defense and the on court presence he had. His full effect on a game wasn't displayed in that stats.
at anyone thinking about putting Payton over David Robinson. David Robinson is arguably Top 3 in the 90s. It's actually a toss up between Robinson and Malone. He's over Barkley though.
I would actually put Stockton, Ewing, and Pippen all over Payton in the 90s. Drexler is the only one who I would take out and replace with Payton. Everyone forgets that some of Payton's best years were in the 00s. In the early 90s he was very limited while Stockton, Ewing, and Pippen played well all throughout the 90s. They all enjoyed their best seasons in the 90s and that particular time frame (90-99) worked in their favor because that was some of their best seasons. In his late 90s prime he was better than some of these guys, however as a whole decade, he falls short. Though it's close, I would still take Stockton/Ewing/Pippen over Payton in the 90s. Though I would kick out Drexler and replace him with Payton or KJ.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. David Robinson
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Clyde Drexler
8. Scottie Pippen
9. Patrick Ewing
#4-#5 and #7-#9 could really go either way for me.
I'm satisfied with this list. I was trying to possibly debate a way for Chris Mullins, Dennis Rodman, and Reggie Miller to be in there, but coulnd't find justifed enough reasons. I wanted to say Magic and Zeke being the tail end of their careers but still in the 90's but I was thinking more predominantly 90's.
You'd put Gary over these guys? I was a huge Payton fan myself, but give me Stockton, Ewing and Drexler over Payton any day. I'd even say Scottie was more valuable during his prime than a prime Payton too. DRob is about the only one I would somewhat agree with you on.
Haha no way. Robinson is among the top 5, no question. I would say it's arguable if he should be above Barkley at #4. I might put Payton over Stockton, Ewing, and Drexler though. However, Pippen and Robinson are better than Payton.
Last edited by ForceOfNature : 09-16-2008 at 08:04 PM.
Was Clyde Drexler better in the 90s or 80s? I think Jordan keeps Reggie Miller from making the list. Solid list though.
I think it's a wash. Although he certainly had some of his more explosive scoring seasons when Portland was runnin' and gunnin' in the 80's. He was probably a better all around player in Houston and when Portland got better in 90, 91, and 92 and even giving Jordan a run as the NBA's best player in 91-92.