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Kobe Apostle
USA Today's GOAT ranking system
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ree-team_x.htm
Article was made in 2003 and I added modern players on to the list using their rating scale. Apparently they were way off adding their numbers in my opinion, but try it yourself.
MJ - 149 pts (I calculated 144)
Wilt - 124 pts (I calculated 117)
Russell - 118 pts (I calculated 115)
Kareem - 114 pts (I calculated 116)
Magic - 102 pts (I calculated 98)
Shaq - 89 pts
Mikan - 88 pts (Don't know how they calculated this)
Kobe - 88 pts
Cousy - 86 pts
Erving - 84 pts (I calculated 83)
Duncan - 79 pts
Bird - 75 pts (I calculated 77)
Havlicek - 72 pts (I calculated 68)
Barry - 70 pts (I calculated 75)
Oscar - 65 pts (I calculated 63)
Lebron - 62 pts
Moses - 57 pts
Their ranking scale:
The top 10 players from each NBA/ABA decade (1950s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s), picked subjectively, were awarded points in 10 categories that were weighted to best reflect overall skill and accomplishments. The categories are also how to compare players across eras. The totals were added to pick the greatest player and the greatest All-Star teams. The categories include NBA and ABA awards.
Categories used:
NBA MVP awards won (five points each)
NBA championships won (five points each)
All-Star Games selected to play in (one point each)
All-NBA first-team selections (two points each)
All-defensive first team (one point each)
NBA Finals MVP awards (two points each)
All-Star MVP awards (one point each)
Individual statistical titles (two points each) — restricted to points, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage and free throw percentage, the stats the league has used the longest
Career averages (six points each) — if a player is the NBA career leader in scoring average, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage or free throw percentage
Career playoff averages (five points each) — for each category the player leads
What do you guys think is the best ranking scale?
Fill in the point total you think is the best value for each accomplishment. Put 0 if you think it should not be used. I added a couple of more categories.
Championship Ring =
Finals MVP =
League MVP =
All-NBA first team =
All-Defensive first team =
All-Star team =
Season statistical title =
Playoff statistical title =
Career average leader =
Career playoff average leader =
Career total leader =
Career playoff total leader =
Here's to make it easy to calculate the GOAT list once you come up with your own formula.
MJ
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Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 01-12-2014 at 04:28 AM.
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15x all nba legend
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ree-team_x.htm
Article was made in 2003 and I added modern players on to the list using their rating scale. Apparently they were way off adding their numbers in my opinion, but try it yourself.
MJ - 149 pts (I calculated 148)
Wilt - 124 pts (I calculated 151)
Russell - 118 pts (I calculated 117)
Kareem - 114 pts (I calculated 116)
Magic - 102 pts (I calculated 98)
Shaq - 89 pts
Mikan - 88 pts (Don't know how they calculated this)
Kobe - 88 pts
Cousy - 86 pts
Erving - 84 pts (I calculated 88)
Duncan - 79 pts
Bird - 75 pts (I calculated 77)
Havlicek - 72 pts
Barry - 70 pts (I calculated 77)
Oscar - 65 pts
Lebron - 64 pts
Moses - 61 pts
Their grading scale:
What do you guys think is the best ranking scale?
All star game MVP which is an exhibition game, is worth the same amount as being on an all defensive first team that is voted on by COACHES over an 82 game regular season..
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Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Strong lack of Mikan as GOAT means this system is crap.
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Kobe Apostle
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by RoundMoundOfReb
Strong lack of Mikan as GOAT means this system is crap.
There were no NBL Finals MVPs, BAA MVPs, BAA Finals MVPs, NBA MVPs, NBA Finals MVPs, or All-Defensive teams during Mikan's prime.
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n/a
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Finals MVP should be worth 5
All Star MVP should be worth 0
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Kobe Apostle
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Wilt
4 MVPs=20
2 Championships=10
13 All-Star Games=13
7 All-NBA first teams=14
2 All-Defensive first teams=2
1 Finals MVP=2
1 All-Star MVP=1
11 Rebounding titles=22
9 Field goal percentage titles=18
7 Scoring titles=14
Total=117 points
They somehow came up with 124 points though.
Edit: they didn't use minutes leader.
Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 01-11-2014 at 10:04 PM.
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sahelanthropus
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Even though he was trolling at the time, TripleOchoDagger was spot on back on the old ESPN boards when he proclaimed it was all about "rings and skills".
Really, the point of the sport is to win as often as possible. The greater your ability to help a team attain that goal, the better a player you are. Accolades don't mean much, at all (unless they help fill in the gap when ample tape and/or anecdotes are not available), and box score stats don't tell us that much in a vacuum.
Rings and skills, skills and rings.
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Wilt Davis
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by fpliii
The greater your ability to help a team attain that goal, the better a player you are.
Does that mean Hondo was better than Oscar Robertson and Jerry West? How do we go about determining objectively who helps their team better attain championships?
Can we be sure Wilt wouldn't have the same number of titles had he been drafted a Celtic as Russell ended up with? How many rings would Olajuwon have if Sampson stayed healthy or was traded to Portland for their 2nd pick that draft (Olajuwon + Jordan on the Rockets)?
How many titles does Magic win without Kareem?
Are we penalizing Karl Malone and John Stocton because the Bulls had a better team with a third HOFer (Rodman second three-peat)?
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First Kobe fan on ISH
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
NBA finals MVP is only two points? Stupid poll.
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Kobe Apostle
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Since there were no NBL Finals MVPs, BAA MVPs, BAA Finals MVPs, NBA MVPs, NBA Finals MVPs, or All-Defensive teams during Mikan's prime, let's give him some obvious awards
2 NBA Finals MVPs
1 BAA Finals MVP
4 NBA Finals MVPs
Give him at least 1 NBA MVP
That's 19 points, and that is giving him the bare minimum since he would have won more NBA MVPs.
19 points +
5
Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 01-11-2014 at 10:31 PM.
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sahelanthropus
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Does that mean Hondo was better than Oscar Robertson and Jerry West? How do we go about determining objectively who helps their team better attain championships?
Can we be sure Wilt wouldn't have the same number of titles had he been drafted a Celtic as Russell ended up with? How many rings would Olajuwon have if Sampson stayed healthy or was traded to Portland for their 2nd pick that draft (Olajuwon + Jordan on the Rockets)?
How many titles does Magic win without Kareem?
Are we penalizing Karl Malone and John Stocton because the Bulls had a better team with a third HOFer (Rodman second three-peat)?
That's where the fun is, it's all speculation. Discussing hypotheticals is the most subjective and enjoyable aspect of fandom. I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but I'd love to have discussions regarding all of them.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Player with 5 ASG's+5 All-NBA+5 All-D=20 points
Robert Horry=35 points
Yeah, it only lasted that much...
Next.
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Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by fpliii
Even though he was trolling at the time, TripleOchoDagger was spot on back on the old ESPN boards when he proclaimed it was all about "rings and skills".
Really, the point of the sport is to win as often as possible. The greater your ability to help a team attain that goal, the better a player you are. Accolades don't mean much, at all (unless they help fill in the gap when ample tape and/or anecdotes are not available), and box score stats don't tell us that much in a vacuum.
Rings and skills, skills and rings.
Unfortunately you can't really quantify skills.
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Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ree-team_x.htm
Article was made in 2003 and I added modern players on to the list using their rating scale. Apparently they were way off adding their numbers in my opinion, but try it yourself.
MJ - 149 pts (I calculated 144)
Wilt - 124 pts (I calculated 117)
Russell - 118 pts (I calculated 115)
Kareem - 114 pts (I calculated 116)
Magic - 102 pts (I calculated 98)
Shaq - 89 pts
Mikan - 88 pts (Don't know how they calculated this)
Kobe - 88 pts
Cousy - 86 pts
Erving - 84 pts (I calculated 83)
Duncan - 79 pts
Bird - 75 pts (I calculated 77)
Havlicek - 72 pts (I calculated 68)
Barry - 70 pts (I calculated 75)
Oscar - 65 pts (I calculated 63)
Lebron - 62 pts
Moses - 57 pts
Their ranking scale:
What do you guys think is the best ranking scale?
All star game MVP should be worth 0(like really who cares?) All defensive team should be worth the same as 1st team. Also where's defensive player of the year?
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Re: USA Today's GOAT ranking system
the all star game mvp should get more points
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