So basically, it's nearly impossible to play well alongside Lebron

[3ball]

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[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1



LEBRON 2009.... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010.... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011.... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
LEBRON 2012.... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013.... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014.... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015.... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
LEBRON 2016.... 32.7..... 39.9
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[3ball]

Peak Lebron and peak Jordan is the main arguement.

6-Year Prime - Playoffs Per Game:

JORDAN 1988-1993: 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. [COLOR="darkred"]6.6 apg[/color].. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 bpg.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014: 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. [COLOR="darkred"]6.1 apg[/COLOR].. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 bpg.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



6-Year Prime - Playoffs Per 100 Possessions:

JORDAN 1988-1993: 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. [COLOR="darkred"]8.5 ast[/COLOR].. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014: 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. [COLOR="darkred"]8.1 ast[/COLOR].. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



MJ is greater in every category except defensive rebounds and neglible ts difference..

Don't make the mistake of thinking Lebron is close to MJ - there's never been a #1 option in history that scored 7 ppg more on better efficiency and more passing that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

And the previous post shows how 34-35 year old MJ scored far more 4th quarter points than prime Lebron - it's irrefutable evidence of the greater load MJ carried.
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[Dr Hawk]

So Lebron, known for his playmaking, assisted less than Jordan

[3ball]

I don't think anyone actually thinks Lebron>Jordan

Why would they?.. We know for a fact that Lebron lowers his teammates assists and turns them into play-finishers..

We don't notice the detrimental effects until they play the best teams, where it's much harder for his teammates to play well at their lower playmaking capacity.

Otoh, from 1985 to 1988 and during the entire first 3-peat, Jordan's teammates never played badly or underperformed in the playoffs (for example, Oakley got 14/13 in 1987 RS, and 20/15 vs Celtics in PO).. MJ's sheer force of will and off-ball style was ideally-suited to elevate teammates once the competition kicks up a tier in the playoffs..

Lebron doesn't elevate teammates, while Jordan did - the stats show this pretty clearly.
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[Gileraracer]

"Lebrons mates were horrible" - LeBron colluded with several superstars in their prime to win a ring, so it is his own fault.

[FKAri]

More like it's impossible to look good next to Lebron. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[3ball]

LeBron could brick 80% of his jumpshots and the fanbois will still defend his honor.

Oh wait, that actually happened in 2015 Finals.

[COLOR="Blue"]Lebron bricked 80% of his jumpers in the 2007 Finals too[/COLOR] - and the Spurs jumpshot defense wasn't prohibitive, since everyone else shot very well on jumpshots:



[COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR]Jumpshot Efficiency vs. Spurs in 2006-2008 Playoffs


[COLOR="White"]....................... [/COLOR]midrange jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 3-point jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Jumpshot proportion of FGA

Bonzi 2006 1st Rd ..............50.0........................... 62.5............................... 32.2
Dirk 2006 WCF ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3
Lebron 2007 Finals .............[COLOR="red"]14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2[/COLOR]



Lebron shot 65.4% at the rim (40% of his offense) so his poor jumpshooting was the only reason for his poor overall efficiency vs. Spurs compared to his peers:


Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 48%[/COLOR]

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

Bonzi vs. Spurs in 2006 1st Rd: [COLOR="Red"]23/12 on 61%[/COLOR]

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]29 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals:[/COLOR][COLOR="blue"] 22 ppg on 35%[/COLOR]


Let's not forget that three of the games were winnable - Game 1 was an eight point game in 4th quarter, despite only 10 points on 5-15 from Lebron.. Games 3 and 4 were nail-biters, despite Lebron's 25 points on 39% and 24 points on 33%, respectively.

Now if Jordan shoots 15-25 percentage points better from the field, [COLOR="Navy"]like all the guys above did against the same Spurs team[/COLOR], the Cavs win all three of those games.
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[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron leaves the Heat and then posts such as "How is Wade so athletic now!" spring up. What a coincidence that once that cancer ball leaves the team, super star players are no longer spot up shooters! That tells me all I need to know that a Lebron led team may be able to make the finals in a weak conference, but once he gets to the finals he'll just enable the guy covering him to win the FMVP and his team will lose.