how awesome is it that kobe won 2 without shaq

[kennethgriffin]

how much of a





was it to haters








"but kobe had shaq" was basically flushed down the toilet



now its


"but kobe only has 2 without shaq"


seriously? lol

how many does shaq have without kobe?

how many does jordan have without pippen?

how many does lebron have without wade?

how many does magic have without kareem?

how many does bird have without mchale?

how many does wilt have without west?

how many does duncan have without parker?

how many does russell have without jones?

how many does oscar have without kareem?

how many does moses have without dr j?

how many does west have without wilt?

how many does kareem have without magic?

[Dr Hawk]

Pau Gasol, the true 2010 FMVP

[Straight_Ballin]

It's awesome in that Kobe can say I won 2 without Shaq.

Meanwhile Lebron can say I never won shit without Wade and never will win shit without wade.

Jordan can say I won 6 with Pippen and that he told Pippen that if he practiced with him everyday before regular practice (see breakfast club) that he would guarantee victory when they got to the finals. (the man didn't know how to lose if he was in the finals)

Having witnessed all this... wow what a time to be alive!

[Kawhi]

Duncan won 5 without Shaq.

Duncan > Kobe

[Straight_Ballin]

Duncan won 5 without Shaq.

Duncan > Kobe

Agreed. Both men were loyal to their teams but Duncan won a ring in 3 different decades as the man....that says it all right there.

[kennethgriffin]

Pau Gasol, the true 2010 FMVP

when was the last time a guy averaged 29/8/4 and didnt win finals mvp

especially when his next best teammate is averaging 10 less ppg and scores most of his points off open looks created by that 1st option




efficiency is nice n all but theres a reason why he was efficient


as a #1 option gasol is 0-16




kobe was far and away the most important player in that series. he changes everything.

kobes the one holding pierce and allen to 8 for 30 in game 7

kobes the one holding allen to 0 for 13 in game 3




gasol is nice but the real test was on the perimeter in the nba finals

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan won 5 without Shaq.

Duncan > Kobe

top 50 player all time, 4 time champion, NBA finals mvp tony parker was duncans teammate

not shaq



and duncan also had the best coach of all time for every year in his career


along with great role players and another legend named manu ginobili

and for his 1st ring he had david robinson

and for his last ring he had the new best all around player in basketball kawhi leonard

[Kawhi]

top 50 player all time, 4 time champion, NBA finals mvp tony parker was duncans teammate

not shaq

If you ride the big fella's back, you're sure to win some titles. Meanwhile, how many titles did Kobe win without Fisher?

[kennethgriffin]

If you ride the big fella's back, you're sure to win some titles. Meanwhile, how many titles did Kobe win without Fisher?

1993 - nick anderson 20ppg
1993 - dennis scott 16ppg
1993 - scott skiles 15ppg

result = missed playoffs

1994 - penny hardaway 16ppg
1994 - nick anderson 16ppg
1994 - dennis scott 13ppg
1994 - scott skiles 10ppg

result = swept first round

1995 - penny hardaway 21ppg
1995 - nick anderson 16ppg
1995 - dennis scott 13ppg
1995 - horace grant 13ppg

result = swept nba finals

1996 - penny hardaway 22ppg
1996 - dennis scott 18ppg
1996 - nick anderson 15ppg
1996 - horace grant 13ppg

result = swept third round

1997 - eddie jones 17ppg
1997 - nick van exel 15ppg
1997 - elden campbell 15ppg
1997 - cedric ceballos 11ppg

result = lost 1-4 first round

1998 - eddie jones 17ppg
1998 - kobe bryant 15ppg
1998 - nick van exel 14ppg
1998 - rick fox 12ppg
1998 - elden campbell 10ppg

result = swept first round

1999 - kobe bryant 20ppg
1999 - glen rice 18ppg
1999 - rick fox 10ppg

result = swept 2nd round


2005 - dwyane wade 24ppg
2005 - eddie jones 13ppg
2005 - damon jones 12ppg
2005 - udonas haslem 11ppg

result = lost 3-4 in third round


2007 - dwyane wade 27ppg
2007 - jason williams 11ppg
2007 - jason kapono 11ppg
2007 - udonas haslem 11ppg

result = swept first round

2008 - amare stoudemire 25ppg
2008 - steve nash 16ppg
2008 - shawn marion 16ppg
2008 - leandro barbosa 16ppg
2008 - grant hill 13ppg
2008 - raja bell 12ppg

result = lost 1-4 first round

2009 - amare stoudemire 21ppg
2009 - jason richardson 16ppg
2009 - steve nash 16ppg
2009 - leandro barbosa 14ppg
2009 - grant hill 12ppg
2009 - matt barnes 10ppg

result = missed playoffs

2010 - lebron james 30ppg
2010 - mo williams 16ppg
2010 - antawn jamison 16ppg

result = lost 2-4 in 2nd round

2011 - paul pierce 19ppg
2011 - ray allen 17ppg
2011 - kevin garnett 15ppg
2011 - glen davis 12ppg
2011 - rajon rondo 11ppg
2011 - jeff green 10ppg

result = lost 1-4 in 2nd round




shaq without elite kobe or elite wade = **** all

[Kawhi]

pretty sure shaq needed a legendary teammate more than kobe did

I was referring to Porker riding Duncan's back, actually. But pretty amazing you got all those stats within 4 minutes. Meltdown.

[kennethgriffin]

I was referring to Porker riding Duncan's back, actually. But pretty amazing you got all those stats within 4 minutes. Meltdown.

manu ginobili averaged 20ppg on 60% in the 2005 finals wins for san antonio

duncan averaged 20ppg on 40%


and manu was the leading assist man





then in 2007 parker won fmvp


then in 2014 kawhi won fmvp



pretty sure duncans had more than just parker... and it was more of a duncan riding his teammates sorta thing

[kennethgriffin]

i cant believe a guy with the name "kawhi" would sit there and say duncans carrying the spurs


its so ironic

[Kawhi]

i cant believe a guy with the name "kawhi" would sit there and say duncans carrying the spurs


its so ironic

I am a Spurs fan more than a player fan, unlike yourself. Duncan, at age 40, is the 2nd most important player on a championship caliber team. Meanwhile, Kobe is having one of the worst seasons ever. Good day.

[raprap]

Awesome for Kobe. Mitch and Phil Jackson deserves a lot of credit tho.

[Straight_Ballin]

I am a Spurs fan more than a player fan, unlike yourself. Duncan, at age 40, is the 2nd most important player on a championship caliber team. Meanwhile, Kobe is having one of the worst seasons ever. Good day.

Oh snap!